F80 M3 Competition ZCP debuts at Washington Auto Show and Daytona

[BRM3MIA]

Originally Posted by faiz

I have read in a sticky thread that the week your allocation is for(eg week9) is when your car actually FINISHES production.

I do not know the answers to rest of your questions. I am sure you can google search the stock wheels(437) and their offsets and compare them to the other wheels you have listed.

Here is a great online tool to see the difference:

http://www.willtheyfit.com/

cheers,
faiz

Thanks, cant wait to pick up the car. Nice tool and will make sure to use it.

[BRM3MIA]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Palomequet successfully ran the 343M on his M4. See this thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1099558

Thanks, it sure look nice and I may go for it and keep the 666 wheels stored. Do you happen to know the offset of the 666 wheels on the ZCP? I was wondering if I would have to use spacers and if I could use the same tires. I saw the M4 had to use spacers on the front so that maybe the case also. I would like to try to avoid using the spacer but if it looks too strange without it I will go for it.

I am just curious to feel the ride and the adjustments they made, not sure if 20inch will be confortable... so I may also consider going to the 19's 437.

[///M-Furby]

Originally Posted by z335is

+1

People can try and justify the package all they want, but the overwhelming opinion is that the wheels are ugly and the seats just the same. I personally don't mind the seats, but I would choose the 19s in a heartbeat over the 20s if I could....they look ridiculous on this car.

luckily, the buyer, doesnt care what the majority of any group thinks?

[///M-Furby]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Agreed. I have argued the same myself. The incremental cost for BMW for the entire Competition Package is minimal, mostly around the 20" wheels and tires and dynamic dampers. The seats, springs, re-calibrated electronics and visual enhancements are likely very minimal incremental cost to BMW. For $5500 in the US, or even worse $7900 here in Canada, I feel BMW is ripping us off with this package.

i disagree. you are looking at it from the perspective of a finished product. think about them having to modify the manufacturing process. that costs money.

overall, its a great price for what you get. looks are subjective, so meh for that

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by furby076

i disagree. you are looking at it from the perspective of a finished product. think about them having to modify the manufacturing process. that costs money.

overall, its a great price for what you get. looks are subjective, so meh for that

This is no more modifying the manufacturing process than having full leather, extended leather, blue, yellow, and white cars all going down the same assembly line. Some have 18s, some have 19s, some have ZCP wheels, etc., etc. No two cars going down the line are identical at any one time and it is not a modification of the manufacturing process.

[///M-Furby]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

This is no more modifying the manufacturing process than having full leather, extended leather, blue, yellow, and white cars all going down the same assembly line. Some have 18s, some have 19s, some have ZCP wheels, etc., etc. No two cars going down the line are identical at any one time and it is not a modification of the manufacturing process.

sure there is. they changed how the seats are made, they tweaked mechanical components. they have to research and engineer that stuff. then certify it in every market they will sell it in (you better believe it). then, they have to retool the machine shops to be able to make the custom parts. its a lower production run (not as many people will get comp package as they will non comp package), so there are less customers to spread the costs too.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by furby076

sure there is. they changed how the seats are made, they tweaked mechanical components. they have to research and engineer that stuff. then certify it in every market they will sell it in (you better believe it). then, they have to retool the machine shops to be able to make the custom parts. its a lower production run (not as many people will get comp package as they will non comp package), so there are less customers to spread the costs too.

Whatever. People keep looking at his as a separate model - it is just a package. Saying comp package vs. non comp package is like saying exec package vs. non exec package. It is just a package that can be ordered.

[///M-Furby]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Whatever

great rebuttal

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by furby076

great rebuttal

You responded before I was finished.

[///M-Furby]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Whatever. People keep looking at his as a separate model - it is just a package. Saying comp package vs. non comp package is like saying exec package vs. non exec package. It is just a package that can be ordered.

but its not just a package. whenever you make substantial changes to the car you have to engineer and test it. increase the hp? at least in the US bmw needs to make sure they still meet emissions and fuel standards. change the suspension? better make sure it meets crash safety tests. there is a lot of stuff that foes into this. i would love it if that 5500 was 2500, but i understand its more than just price gouging (which bmw does plenty of)

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by furby076

but its not just a package. whenever you make substantial changes to the car you have to engineer and test it. increase the hp? at least in the US bmw needs to make sure they still meet emissions and fuel standards. change the suspension? better make sure it meets crash safety tests. there is a lot of stuff that foes into this. i would love it if that 5500 was 2500, but i understand its more than just price gouging (which bmw does plenty of)

You can look at it the way you want to. To me it is a package - called competition package - is ordered just like any other package.

[visi107]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

But they are NOT an added $1k as a new car because you get those in place of the chrome bits. The black are zero added $$$ benefit (other than preference for some) on the new car.

While it technically it may be true, I disagree with your logic. You can start making that argument for every option. Are the 437M wheels an added $1200 over the stock 18', you don't get both sets. you only get the 19'. Are the LED lights an added $1900 in cost to BMW? Def not. Is the MPE an added $5500(including tailpipes)? you don't get both exhausts, you only get one. Is Melbourne red metallic an added $5000(individual color) cost to the M3/4 when it is a standard color on the 3/4 series for only 550 and both cars pretty much have the same body? Of course it's not an added cost but that is the price they have set. So applying your logic and saying the chrome bits aren't an added cost doesn't make sense.

With all cars, doing upgrades and picking certain options, you end up paying a premium. You only get the upgrade. You do not get both products. The consumer decides whether that upgrade is worth it or not. The truth of the matter is that if you order the changes of the competition package separately, it will end up costing more.(i know you can't order everything that's included separately but if you could). So picked together as an option it's less. You can argue all day that it's not worth it to you because you don't like the seats or the wheels but that's not the point. It would be like saying i don't like the HUD . . . well then don't get the exec package.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by visi107

While it technically it may be true, I disagree with your logic. You can start making that argument for every option. Are the 437M wheels an added $1200 over the stock 18', you don't get both sets. you only get the 19'. Are the LED lights an added $1900 in cost to BMW? Def not. Is the MPE an added $5500(including tailpipes)? you don't get both exhausts, you only get one. Is Melbourne red metallic an added $5000(individual color) cost to the M3/4 when it is a standard color on the 3/4 series for only 550 and both cars pretty much have the same body? Of course it's not an added cost but that is the price they have set. So applying your logic and saying the chrome bits aren't an added cost doesn't make sense.

With all cars, doing upgrades and picking certain options, you end up paying a premium. You only get the upgrade. You do not get both products. The consumer decides whether that upgrade is worth it or not. The truth of the matter is that if you order the changes of the competition package separately, it will end up costing more.(i know you can't order everything that's included separately but if you could). So picked together as an option it's less. You can argue all day that it's not worth it to you because you don't like the seats or the wheels but that's not the point. It would be like saying i don't like the HUD . . . well then don't get the exec package.

My comment was only concerning the "black bits" from another's comments. I agree with much of what you say, but not all. The 19" wheels, for example, are considerably more expensive than the 18", as are the tires. Is it $1200? Probably not, but close. The MPE exhaust is generally dealer installed and for $5500 you have the MPE and your stock exhaust (wanted or not). I was making no value judgment about whether the comp package was worth it or not. Actually, it is probably a good value for the money.

[blinkme323]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

You can look at it the way you want to. To me it is a package - called competition package - is ordered just like any other package.

Yeah I do find the rash of people already posting about their "ZCP M3s" quite amusing. Much akin to someone posting about their special exec pack M3

[Brasko]

The seat belts are the best part.

[MN2///M]

Originally Posted by Brasko

The seat belts are the best part.

Whole reason I bought it.

[SROC3]

Yes the seat belts rock.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Brasko

The seat belts are the best part.

I would have preferred colored seat belts