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      09-24-2013, 12:03 PM   #287
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I'm very thankful that BMW has taken the effort to build a relatively low weight M3. Why? From a sales volume perspective they don't need to. They could have just taken the cheap route and use the F3X as is and add bigger brakes a few strengthenings here and there and larger turbos making 500 hp and it would sell like hot cakes. Just look at the current 5 series and the M5/M6. Huge, heavy, isolated, beautiful cars with massive power. All making very good $$$ for BMW.

We who lament this development are in minority and whenever cars are built for my minority I'm thankful understanding the tough internal politics,added costs and effort involved in doing so. That said I think for BMW it will prove to be well spent resources from a brand strengthening aspect and longterm viability of the BMW allure and reputation. The M3 is the heart of everything core BMW.
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Which is why I find 425hp rather disappointing. All competitors - even if they're heavier - wah wah wah more power wah wah wah.

Sure you'll also be able to tune the F80 eventually, but I imagine the ECU will be difficult to crack for some time wah wah wah (really, it's preserving the cars so they don't end up like EVOs and STIs) wah wah wah small turbos wah wah.

But let's see how the final figures will look (will probably buy one anyway - new or used, despite all the whining.)

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      09-24-2013, 12:05 PM   #289
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Can we get a specific time? I know Jason said this evening US time but that's just as ambiguous as everything he said before! An example of specific time will be 5PM EST. I would gladly time travel if I had the means. :-)
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Jason, et all at the event, have you seen these semi camoed cars in Scott's picture? If so, is the silver paint a clean silver like Glacier or is it the baby blue hued Silverstone?
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All I want is a 600hp AWD M3/M4 that weighs 2900 lbs and costs under $60k!...is that too much to ask for! GAWD!
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      09-24-2013, 12:23 PM   #294
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All I want is a 600hp AWD M3/M4 that weighs 2900 lbs and costs under $60k!...is that too much to ask for! GAWD!
don't forget normally aspirated and 11,000RPM redline. And that $60k number better be well equipped not just the base prior to options!
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      09-24-2013, 12:40 PM   #297
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It should have a higher trap speed than the 991S due to having a lot more overall power. I think for once the M3, yes M3, will out acclerate (not laptime) the Carrera S



Que? Is the M3 a sports car now?
Considering the 991S out traps the C7 vette (also underrated at 460 hp and weighs the same as the 991S), I dont see the M3 being able to do. We all know 400 Porsche hp is like 450-475 hp in any other car, case in point the C7 vette, which is also underrated and still doesnt trap what the 991S does.

For the M3 to trap what the 991S traps (120 mph) would be encoaching on M5/6 trap speeds (which also happen to be 120 mph). I just dont see that happening. The e9x m3 is a 112 mph trap speed car. The next will likely be ~4-5 mph better putting it in the 117 range.

Either way, 117 is seriously quick. The m4 will likely be as fast as a bolt on e9x m3 (again, 117 mph or so). And I know I never think my full catless e92 with dct is slow.

And you can be sure it wont be as pinpoint accurate or precise as the 991.

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      09-24-2013, 12:43 PM   #298
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My F5 key is starting to look polished and bare.
Seriously. And the homepage news is absolutely worthless today too. What a tease!

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Meh... Can't believe we get excited over 3,300 lbs.

No M3 should have ever weighed more than that to begin with. And now it seems like an "achievement".

They're effectively saying "Hey look, we reduced the weight and changed the panels a bit. Yay!"

M3 should be a lightweight car. Period. It almost seems like they did us a favor. Let's pay $70k and thank them on our knees.
And how would you do that Houdini? The M3/4 starts off the standard chassis, unlike a bespoke one like a 911 or Ferrari.

They NEED to have a trunk, room, safety. comfort (the base model does). Please find me a brand new 3300lb sedan.

I want $1 gallon gas too, but you don't hear me complaining about it right?
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      09-24-2013, 12:49 PM   #299
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      09-24-2013, 01:07 PM   #301
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Considering the 991S out traps the C7 vette (also underrated at 460 hp and weighs the same as the 991S), I dont see the M3 being able to do. We all know 400 Porsche hp is like 450-475 hp in any other car, case in point the C7 vette, which is also underrated and still doesnt trap what the 991S does.

For the M3 to trap what the 991S traps (120 mph) would be encoaching on M5/6 trap speeds (which also happen to be 120 mph). I just dont see that happening. The e9x m3 is a 112 mph trap speed car. The next will likely be ~4-5 mph better putting it in the 117 range.

Either way, 117 is seriously quick. The m4 will likely be as fast as a bolt on e9x m3 (again, 117 mph or so). And I know I never think my full catless e92 with dct is slow.

And you can be sure it wont be as pinpoint accurate or precise as the 991.
I'm just going off the fact that hp is typically the determination of trap speed. The actual time is a different story. I have not seen the review wit the CS trapping 120 mph. Was that just one odd review or is it pretty consistent. I mean...thats pretty fast.

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MT Test PDK - http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...ed-manual.html - 12.0 @ 116.5

R&T Test PDK - http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...cee9b225a9.pdf - 11.8 @ 118.4

The E92 looks to be betwee a 112 and 114 trap car. I think the F82 will match or slightly eclipse the 991S. We'll see
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Considering the 991S out traps the C7 vette (also underrated at 460 hp and weighs the same as the 991S), I dont see the M3 being able to do. We all know 400 Porsche hp is like 450-475 hp in any other car, case in point the C7 vette, which is also underrated and still doesnt trap what the 991S does.

For the M3 to trap what the 991S traps (120 mph) would be encoaching on M5/6 trap speeds (which also happen to be 120 mph). I just dont see that happening. The e9x m3 is a 112 mph trap speed car. The next will likely be ~4-5 mph better putting it in the 117 range.

Either way, 117 is seriously quick. The m4 will likely be as fast as a bolt on e9x m3 (again, 117 mph or so). And I know I never think my full catless e92 with dct is slow.

And you can be sure it wont be as pinpoint accurate or precise as the 991.
And you can be sure it will cost $40-50K less. On track days, i could hire a midget to throw spike strips in front of the 991 all day, and still come out ahead.
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      09-24-2013, 01:22 PM   #303
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Keep telling yourself that. //M stands for marketing. Lets hope this car re-establishes the name.
I forgot that one lol.

But i meant literally. I think the current and all past M cars are fine though. But with the advent of m perf parts and m logos all over the place on non m cars, thats where marketing comes from.
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All I want is a 600hp AWD M3/M4 that weighs 2900 lbs and costs under $60k!...is that too much to ask for! GAWD!
don't forget normally aspirated and 11,000RPM redline. And that $60k number better be well equipped not just the base prior to options!
Ive driven a spoon ek civic with 11k revs back in the 90s so its doable lol
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I'm just going off the fact that hp is typically the determination of trap speed. The actual time is a different story. I have not seen the review wit the CS trapping 120 mph. Was that just one odd review or is it pretty consistent. I mean...thats pretty fast.

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MT Test PDK - http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...ed-manual.html - 12.0 @ 116.5

R&T Test PDK - http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...cee9b225a9.pdf - 11.8 @ 118.4

The E92 looks to be betwee a 112 and 114 trap car. I think the F82 will match or slightly eclipse the 991S. We'll see
Don't forget that weight also is a vital factor in trap speed. You can have 500hp, but if it weighs 10000lbs, the trap speed won't be much...
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I'm just going off the fact that hp is typically the determination of trap speed. The actual time is a different story. I have not seen the review wit the CS trapping 120 mph. Was that just one odd review or is it pretty consistent. I mean...thats pretty fast.

Edit..

MT Test PDK - http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...ed-manual.html - 12.0 @ 116.5

R&T Test PDK - http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...cee9b225a9.pdf - 11.8 @ 118.4

The E92 looks to be betwee a 112 and 114 trap car. I think the F82 will match or slightly eclipse the 991S. We'll see
LOL, e9x m3 is nowhere close to a 114 trap speed car. 112 yes FROM MAGS, not real world. Ive never seen a time slip for any trapping those speeds.

How about an actual owner!

Time slip of an actual owner, 120 mph
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=31

Mag times are only good when they compare two cars side by side, same day, same conditions. Show me an e9x m3 from a drag strip with anywhere close to what mags say...you wont. Show me a time slip of an m4 when it comes out that is 120 mph like the 991S...wont happen.

Think about this, head to head, same day, the 991S was faster in both ET and trap speed vs a C7 Stingray. That say a lot given the 991S is down 60 hp and like 100 lb/ft tq. The m3 will obviously be heavier than both those cars too and wont put down 120 mph trap speeds.

The 991S is FASTER than a 997.1 GT3. The M3/4 will be lucky if it can keep up with that kind of straight line acceleration.

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It will be worth the wait. You will be impressed by how they have engineered the car in response to a new weight reduction programme. Not only do we celebrate the announcement of a new BMW M3. But also a new icon - The BMW M4.

But in between all this is a very promising future for BMW M. And a new journey for further possibilities now that BMW have mastered the ability to use widespread carbon all thanks to BMWi and the significant investment involved.

BMWi and BMW M. Will not crossover as brands but in synergies and philosophy .
The exciting lighter era for BMW M begins today.

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It will be worth the wait. You will be impressed by how they have engineered the car in response to a new weight reduction programme. Not only do we celebrate the announcement of a new BMW M3. But also a new icon - The BMW M4.

But in between all this is a very promising future for BMW M. And a new journey for further possibilities now that BMW have mastered the ability to use widespread carbon all thanks to BMWi and the significant investment involved.

BMWi and BMW M. Will not crossover as brands but in synergies and philosophy .
The exciting lighter era for BMW M begins today.

You're the man. But the suspense is starting to kill me. lol Hope you're having fun at the event.
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