M4 - PURE Stage 2 Turbos - 708whp / 707wtq

[hellrotm]

Maybe we will see the race, they attend the same events. Although the VT3 owner was selling his car, so I don't know if he runs it anymore or what state of tune it is in.

[AW BMW]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

What he said^^^ This is common sense. The E8X can make the same (or more power, (and climbing)) but with turbo torque and far superior area under curve. Game over. Next...

This right here!! The area under the curve is a lot different. It holds more power with the upgraded turbos than with the stock. Everyone is use to seeing races with the stock turbos but not with the upgraded configuration which would make for a different race. I will say this, the vt3 races are very impressive nonetheless.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

I don't think it would be that close at all. I think it would be the F82 by at least 2 cars.

Interesting, don't want to muck up this thread, and an amazing accomplishment by Pure and Terry, but since you and few others brought it up, do you think a 708WHP M4 6MT, can beat these 800+WHP E46 M3's and a 800WHP Ford GT, by 2 cars in the half mile?

I will say a 700WHP M4 DCT would probably do as well as my car, maybe better, from a dig probably for sure.

[Newguy123]

Originally Posted by IMG

If the F82 hooks down low it will be an interesting run but the VT3 will still pull harder up top and the F82 won't recover.
I personally ran an F82 with 609whp 597wtq and it pulled me down low by 1.5-2 cars from 60mph. By 100-110mph i flew by it,literally ! and it didn't recover all the way to top speed.
and when we rolled from 40mph,the f82 didn't have a chance at all due to traction issues.

Would love to see some 60-130s for this beast !

Ok who has a 609whp f82? I'm sure he's on here. Was it a pure s2 car? Bc everyone knows the stock turbos can't do that....

[AW BMW]

[QUOTE=DLSJ5;18099622]Interesting, don't want to muck up this thread, and an amazing accomplishment by Pure and Terry, but since you and few others brought it up, do you think a 708WHP M4 6MT, can beat these 800+WHP E46 M3's and a 800WHP Ford GT, by 2 cars in the half mile?

You do have a point here, I completely ignored the fact that the pure turbos car is a 6mt. For some reason I was thinking both with dct.

[PR3CI5N]

Originally Posted by Newguy123

Ok who has a 609whp f82? I'm sure he's on here. Was it a pure s2 car? Bc everyone knows the stock turbos can't do that....

BMS's F82 M3 was around 600rw. Their car is back at Pure getting the same turbo setup that Pure's M4 is running. Slightly more lag but a lot more up top power.

[IMG]

Originally Posted by Newguy123

Ok who has a 609whp f82? I'm sure he's on here. Was it a pure s2 car? Bc everyone knows the stock turbos can't do that....

No Sir, he's not on here and I have his Dyno files. I will post them up in the next day or two when I get back from overseas.

[///M ARMY]

Originally Posted by PR3CI5N

BMS's F82 M3 was around 600rw. Their car is back at Pure getting the same turbo setup that Pure's M4 is running. Slightly more lag but a lot more up top power.

you mean F80 correct

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by PR3CI5N

BMS's F82 M3 was around 600rw. Their car is back at Pure getting the same turbo setup that Pure's M4 is running. Slightly more lag but a lot more up top power.

Interesting I know Terry had mentioned the DCT won't be able to handle the same power levels. Not due to hardware, but software limits. Guess he plans to find exactly what are the limits of DCT with Dodson clutches.

[Newguy123]

Originally Posted by IMG

No Sir, he's not on here and I have his Dyno files. I will post them up in the next day or two when I get back from overseas.

So he has stock turbos and trying to claim 600rwhp? LOL

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Interesting I know Terry had mentioned the DCT won't be able to handle the same power levels. Not due to hardware, but software limits. Guess he plans to find exactly what are the limits of DCT with Dodson clutches.

True, another thing to throw in, since we are comparing, Terry's F80 M3 DCT Pure Turbo ran a 6.9 60-130 (it will do better eventually), that's about what a handful of E9X stock motor SC's M3's have ran (570-600whp), 6.9 and lower. Terry's F80 M3 trapped 159MPH in the 1/2 mile from a dig, a ESS VT2-650 trapped 162MPH, so in the same power range, same transmission, they seem to be pretty close.

Also in regards to your other post, I'm selling the car, and it still runs great after 3 years with the VT3.

[IMG]

Originally Posted by Newguy123

So he has stock turbos and trying to claim 600rwhp? LOL

I will post the dyno graph once i find it !

[Newguy123]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

True, another thing to throw in, since we are comparing, Terry's F80 M3 DCT Pure Turbo ran a 6.9 60-130 (it will do better eventually), that's about what a handful of E9X stock motor SC's M3's have ran (570-600whp), 6.9 and lower. Terry's F80 M3 trapped 159MPH in the 1/2 mile from a dig, a ESS VT2-650 trapped 162MPH, so in the same power range, same transmission, they seem to be pretty close.

Also in regards to your other post, I'm selling the car, and it still runs great after 3 years with the VT3.

Pretty sure he tripped 161 at SS running 575-600rwhp in a sedan .

[motodude]

Originally Posted by jballs16

10k for 700whp isn't bad at all

Word! I spent almost that much trying to get another 150hp outta my SRT Challenger with a honkin' 6.4L V8! I just gotta wonder how streetable it is....

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Newguy123

Pretty sure he tripped 161 at SS running 575-600rwhp in a sedan .

He may have, and it's a great trap, but I took it from his own words from the last SS3 event, but what difference does it make if it's a sedan? lol, it has the "Terry" factor and that's good for at least 5mph.

"The M3 ran great trapping ~156mph from a roll and ~159mph from a dig"

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30159

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by MasterC17

I'm not sure what is being proven here other than the F8X should easily beat the E9X. The F8X stays in the 700whp range from 5k-6.5k while the E9X only peaks it right at the end. That means when they both shift, the F8X is still right in the power-band while the E9X just lost 200whp. And the F8X is making significantly more torque the whole time, especially down low. I just don't think it would be that close.

Where exactly does the E9X VT3 loose 200whp when it shifts?

[Newguy123]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

He may have, and it's a great trap, but I took it from his own words from the last SS3 event, but what difference does it make if it's a sedan? lol, it has the "Terry" factor and that's good for at least 5mph.

"The M3 ran great trapping ~156mph from a roll and ~159mph from a dig"

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30159

Yes yes you're right. I thought I read 161 but that must have been nfz.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Newguy123

Yes yes you're right. I thought I read 161 but that must have been nfz.

No problem man, NFZ does seem to be a tad faster traps, he also said he had some issues at SS3, so the 159, should be higher. Regardless Terry is a flat out rockstar, and I'm a big fan of his, all of this F8X stuff from him and pure is very impressive and exciting to see. I only came in here to congratulate them, but also to set the record straight on the VT3.

[War Tank]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

No problem man, NFZ does seem to be a tad faster traps. Regardless Terry is a flat out rockstar, and I'm a big fan of his, all of this F8X stuff from him and pure is very impressive and exciting to see. I only came in here to congratulate them, but also to set the record straight on the VT3.

Don't sell the ride yet man. Cmon you know you have to run pure's 700whp monster!

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by MasterC17

I'm not sure what is being proven here other than the F8X should easily beat the E9X. The F8X stays in the 700whp range from 5k-6.5k while the E9X only peaks it right at the end. That means when they both shift, the F8X is still right in the power-band while the E9X just lost 200whp. And the F8X is making significantly more torque the whole time, especially down low. I just don't think it would be that close.

I'm not sure if this will help or hurt the debate. But let's put some real numbers to this and let you guys decide. This is from Drew's latest dyno. I selected shift points at exactly maxHP, which in this case was 8200 RPMs. The follow chart shows the power loss between shifts, per gear.

	Shift RPM	Drop RPM	MPH	HP	HP Loss
1st to 2nd	8200	5034	43	402	309
2nd to 3rd	8200	6021	70	519	192
3rd to 4th	8200	6390	95	564	147
4th to 5th	8200	6770	122	608	103
5th to 6th	8200	7121	147	644	67
6th to 7th	8200	6812	169	612	99

Here's another table that might be a little more realistic. I can see from Drew's video, he shifts around 8500 RPMs. This is what the power/RPM drop looks like when shifting at 8500 RPMs.

	Shift RPM	Drop RPM	MPH	HP	HP Loss
1st to 2nd	8500	5218	44	427	284
2nd to 3rd	8500	6242	72	547	164
3rd to 4th	8500	6624	98	591	120
4th to 5th	8500	7019	126	635	76
5th to 6th	8500	7382	153	667	44
6th to 7th	8500	7062	176	639	72

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

What he said^^^ This is common sense. The E8X can make the same (or more power, (and climbing)) but with turbo torque and far superior area under curve. Game over. Next...

Originally Posted by IMG

No Sir, he's not on here and I have his Dyno files. I will post them up in the next day or two when I get back from overseas.

Send me the dyno file, and I'll run it through CarTest (physics based simulator). CarTest hasn't let me down yet. It will get the results right.

[tom @ eas]

Horsepower aside, the M4 will likely end up hitting the speed limiter before the 1/2mi mark.

Car will need to be flashed in order for the limiter to be removed.