Chris Harris Drives: Merc-AMG GT R vs 911 GT3 RS vs BMW M4 GTS

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by minn19

Isn't Chris Harris and Top Gear from Europe? Or is Brexit official and it is just England/Great Britain now?

Produced by BBC America and mostly geared to the American market.
Interesting to know that Chris Harris has been banned by both Ferrari and Lamborghini at some point for trashing their cars as well.
Was not thinking about that but brexit is basically official. BMW is actually cancelling plans to build a factory there for the next generation Minis. Big loss of jobs! Lots of finance companies fleeing the country as well.
They asked for it!

[minn19]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Produced by BBC America and mostly geared to the American market.
Interesting to know that Chris Harris has been banned by both Ferrari and Lamborghini at some point for trashing their cars as well.
Was not thinking about that but brexit is basically official. BMW is actually cancelling plans to build a factory there for the next generation Minis. Big loss of jobs! Lots of finance companies fleeing the country as well.
They asked for it!

I would think that means he is not afraid to be unbiased. Not to get into politics, but I do agree Brexit was a mistake.

The F80/82 has been polarizing since they came out so I guess the ultimate version of it is going to be even more so.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

What is interesting is that all reviews in Europe were great. Some by very famous race car and rallye drivers.
I don't know if there is any correlation but you cannot touch that car for less than $200,000 there (up to $250,000 right now) and still going up.
Reality TV is big here and trashing a good car will give you ratings!
Time will tell...
Whoever owns one knows how great it is. That is all that counts...

... And those were on the BMW payroll. FYI, just in case you didn't know

[Captain Unknown GT4]

The fast ones....



Vs the slow ones...oh, If anybody did forget, M4 GTS (1.33.17min) is right up there with GT3 991. Track is ca. 3.7km, same PRO driver on all cars. R compound on cars marked with the asterix*

[adc]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

You could listen to who ever you like, I driven my car high and low on tracks, different aero mode. Not only do I feel full aero help in dry very much In rain, but I also got the data. In SPA big difference full aero rearwing nr.3 vs even nr.2. Like I drive alot in rain at setting nr. 2 and then nr. 3 rearwing. Instant gains In gripp in rain! Chris never test different anything. All same aero, (no aero mode)
Chris only high. I got more data than Chris and Clarkson all together on these matters! You seen that I use racelogic products datalogging. I do not drive one lap on tracks whit out It. Hence Its not just my feelings that speek. (...)

Then throw In to the mix that I use racelogic since they first let the driftbox on the market. So I accually do not care what ever people listen to. I just let my experience from GTS come out here. You do what ever you like whit It, Icould not care less. Its just my opinions on a matter i know more about than most as they only read the magazine.

So forgive me for asking the obvious question, why not post the data to show these differences?

Without it it's all just talk, oftentimes hard to follow, and the more words you add the less convincing you are.

Post the darn data and silence all the critics.

[Captain Unknown GT4]

For me to know and for you to find out right😂. Get out on them tracks and drive now! Then ask your pal Chris to cover a fully track set up GTS vs the zero downforce street set GTS around any given GP track. Wow, he will then understand, and in the end you to.
Other than that, its not that I accually care If you dont understand the GTS

[adc]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

For me to know and for you to find out right��. Get out on them tracks and drive now! Then ask your pal Chris to cover a fully track set up GTS vs the zero downforce street set GTS around any given GP track. Wow, he will then understand, and in the end you to.
Other than that, its not that I accually care If you dont understand the GTS

It would be excellent if we didn't resort to elementary school talk in lieu of arguments.

I think it's you who don't understand the situation. I couldn't care less about your GTS, really, I'm not interested in the car and never will be. Don't even rightly care how fast it is, hope it's all that it's cracked up to be and wish owners well from the bottom of my heart.

But this is an argument you've started. You opened a mini Pandora's box claiming incorrect results from a few online tests. It is you who insist making all sorts of claims about the difference in setups and the extra speed you can generate that way, but you've never posted any actual evidence to support it. We do think it makes some difference but not the massive one you say it does. Interestingly you'd be in a perfect position to shut everyone up, as an enthusiast GTS owner with lots of data logging.

Probably all just vaporware.

[Naz24]

Originally Posted by mrduder

Look, the guy owned the f80. He likes that car. The dude knows what he's talking about and knows how it could have been or should have been and it just fell short. It's not a BMW hate thing. He wanted to love this car. It just really fell short of the hype and price tag. And when you compare it to other cars in the same price range..... it just doesn't compare.

Nailed it.

The M4 GTS is just too similar to a saloon car, as he says. Its not special enough for the price tag.

The AMG is totally different than any other car they have. THink about it, in reality, the M4 GTS has a similar layout as a 40k 428i.....

[Captain Unknown GT4]

You pay to much attention to these GTS threads, come on...you want one right?

Oh well, what If we put this

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1387850

car 2cm up in the air (higher than It now sit) and take out almost all aero effekt proir to we hit the track🤔😂

You really think that would be a great ide😂
You think you get the best out of the car on track then, well No! It same with the M4 GTS, It will be far from its best If driven on track in zero aero street mode high up chassie 😂.

You are not stupid, I know deep inside you understand these things👍🏻

Originally Posted by adc

It would be excellent if we didn't resort to elementary school talk in lieu of arguments.

I think it's you who don't understand the situation. I couldn't care less about your GTS, really, I'm not interested in the car and never will be. Don't even rightly care how fast it is, hope it's all that it's cracked up to be and wish owners well from the bottom of my heart.

But this is an argument you've started. You opened a mini Pandora's box claiming incorrect results from a few online tests. It is you who insist making all sorts of claims about the difference in setups and the extra speed you can generate that way, but you've never posted any actual evidence to support it. We do think it makes some difference but not the massive one you say it does. Interestingly you'd be in a perfect position to shut everyone up, as an enthusiast GTS owner with lots of data logging.

Probably all just vaporware.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

You pay to much attention to these GTS threads, come on...you want one right?

Oh well, what If we put this

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1387850

car 2cm up in the air (higher than It now sit) and take out almost all aero effekt proir to we hit the track🤔😂

You really think that would be a great ide😂
You think you get the best out of the car on track then, well No! It same with the M4 GTS, It will be far from its best If driven on track in zero aero street mode high up chassie 😂.

You are not stupid, I know deep inside you understand these things👍🏻

Understanding the principle has nothing to do with quantifying the effect. You should understand that as well.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by adc

Understanding the principle has nothing to do with quantifying the effect. You should understand that as well.

Anyone wanting to buy a GTS less than sticker I have two available for right around $130k -
One White and one Grey

[Brake_Late]

Gorgeous GT3 RS this weekend while instructing