Meet the new M4 enemy - official Mercedes C63 AMG

[Trakrzy]

Looks sharp. I would put my name down for that wagon if it came to North....hope it isnt let down by the tranny like the last car.

[Roadkiller]

Originally Posted by X2Board

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...many?fbfanpage

Despite the boosted power output, the C63 AMG claims gas mileage of 28 mpg or better in European testing.

Not that it matters much to many of us buying $70K+ cars -- but this is pretty good. Surely that's highway -- what about daily driving on the back roads?

[dustman]

I was so disappointed in the new M3/4 I passed on the car. Interior was a step down in materials quality relative to the prior gen, and next to Audi it's several years behind (even my A3 rental car this week is better inside than the new M).
Combined with the poor exhaust sound and an exterior that is (subjectively) bloated and uninspiring, and I couldnt do it.

I dont doubt that this new C63 will be quicker and faster than the M, as evidenced that the last model was tested and favored over the new M already.

As you can tell, I am a long term, 5+ M3 owner, and so disappointed where the brand has gone, into soft, anonymous boredom, that I would even consider buying a Merc.

(I opted for a 458 Italia for now to hold me over, but I do miss the TQ some of the sedans offer!).

As for the interior pics of the new C63...WOW! Stunning interior, might be the best this side of Veyron. No F or Lambo looks as good inside. Stunning.

[Roadkiller]

Originally Posted by JTO24

At this level, all of the competitors are bringing fantastic cars to the table. It's all about personal preference I will say I'm still leaning toward an f8x.

+1

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

None.

Yet more proof North American car buyers are idiots. (As if we needed more.....)

Sigh.

[RPiM5]

Dudes, this is saying a curb weight of only 1640kgs. Is a UK kg different than a German kg??

"The new model is lighter and stiffer than before. Merc quotes a kerbweight of 1640kg, compared with 1730kg for today's model. Thank the use of aluminium in key areas."

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Se...-rod-unveiled/

[RPiM5]

Another shot of the wagon. Sick!

[irablumberg]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I consider the vented, BS-style hood and 19" wheels cosmetic differences (along with the blacked out trim pieces and "acceleration" decals on the rocker panels).

I was talking performance differences. As I stated previously, in terms of performance enhancements, the 507 received only a power bump, forged internals (for longevity purposes to warrant the factory tune), and composite rotors. You could also argue that the top speed limiter increase is a performance gain.

The suspension is identical to all other LCI C63s. The brake calipers are identical as well.

The new W205 C63 will come standard with 265s in the rear and 245s up front (W204 had 255 rears and 235 fronts standard).

We'll have a better idea regarding the W205's weight down the road but Jalopnik explained today that the non-S sedan would weigh closer to 3,615 lbs - you had to do some rounding up to get to 4k.

The E9X M3 was a car that was easy for casual drivers to drive fast. The relatively modest torque curve and high-revving motor made for a car in which the chassis outclassed the motor (to some extent).

Having driven the F80 and F82 several times now, I would say that it's not as easy to drive. The mountains of torque had the traction control intervening quite a bit, even in MDM.

Just to be clear, I believe the switch from 18" to 19" wheels is a definite performance enhancement as there was a corresponding switch to lower profile tires. In essence this is a classic +1 arrangement. Given the marginal Conti tires, less sidewall almost certainly means better performance.

One other point for clarity is that the P31 performance pack on the non-507 cars also included the same forged engine internals as the 507. The only engine difference is the tune.

On that note, I am hard pressed to believe that the new engine is really better than the amazing 6.2l DOHC V8. There will almost certainly be some turbo lag and it is unlikely that power delivery will be as linear and predictable.

Also, as I recall AMG listed the weight of the W204 as around 3,800 pounds, but when tested with the usual performance and luxury equipment, one magazine referred to it as "a secret fatty" coming in at almost exactly 4,000 pounds. Thus, even if the new car has lost 100 to 200 pounds, it is still 200 to 300 pounds overweight, particularly for 265 width tires. Us M3 and M4 owners can't put down the power with 275 width PSS. How can AMG possibly get decent traction with nearly an extra 100 lb-ft of torque, an extra 200 to 300 pounds and skinnier and less sticky tires (assuming AMG is still using Conti)?

Nonetheless, I do look forward to seeing the test results as I find the car generally attractive. I am disappointed that there appears to be no 4-matic. That would at least help to justify the extra weight.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by irablumberg

Just to be clear, I believe the switch from 18" to 19" wheels is a definite performance enhancement as there was a corresponding switch to lower profile tires. In essence this is a classic +1 arrangement. Given the marginal Conti tires, less sidewall almost certainly means better performance.

Bigger wheels also usually means . . . heavier wheels. Heavier wheels mean a decrease in a performance, to a degree.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by UH_TX

Everyone has there opinions, but that interior is ugly. Maybe if I was 50 I would like it... probably not.

The last gen exterior was like a hot girl with no ass (no rear fenders)

New gen is Ugly girl with no ass.

haha! best comment.

i do LIKE the car, but i don't LOVE it .. i like a lot of the details on the interior/exterior (seats are "the business"), i agree that the vents look very "roadster" like and belong in a supercar or a spyker or something (along with the rest of the dash). i really don't like the rear end.. it looks like it melted and slumped down in the middle.

that wagon would be awesome and i may have preferred that over the M3 for my 99% DD duties but i'm sure it's at least $10k more than the M3 and i'm already in love with this car and it hasn't gotten across the Atlantic yet … maybe next time i'll get a C63.

i'm sure it'll be a great car overall and welcome competition in the segment … keeps the improvements coming!

i too am predicting the w205 to be faster than the m (straight line, maybe even around some tracks, but we'll see) but a slightly less enjoyable/controlled experience unless tire smoke is all you're after.

can't wait for the comparison tests … "the c63 is a nicer car to sit in, but the M3 is a better car to drive"

[gthal]

I prefer the ///M interior to the new C63 overall. I like the C63 seats better but there is something about the C63 design I don't like... maybe it's the fake chrome accents and round vents everywhere. Subjective though for sure.

I can't wait to see one in person and reserve all judgement until said visit.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by dustman

I was so disappointed in the new M3/4 I passed on the car. Interior was a step down in materials quality relative to the prior gen, and next to Audi it's several years behind (even my A3 rental car this week is better inside than the new M).
Combined with the poor exhaust sound and an exterior that is (subjectively) bloated and uninspiring, and I couldnt do it.

I dont doubt that this new C63 will be quicker and faster than the M, as evidenced that the last model was tested and favored over the new M already.

As you can tell, I am a long term, 5+ M3 owner, and so disappointed where the brand has gone, into soft, anonymous boredom, that I would even consider buying a Merc.

(I opted for a 458 Italia for now to hold me over, but I do miss the TQ some of the sedans offer!).

As for the interior pics of the new C63...WOW! Stunning interior, might be the best this side of Veyron. No F or Lambo looks as good inside. Stunning.

I think the bolded part is a load of hooey. The interior of the F8X is notably better than the E9X in almost every way. The leather quality, the real CF (versus CF look leather), full leather on the dash, etc, etc. You don't need to like the new one better but to say the interior is a step down is just wrong IMO.

[ixse]

why o why do merc understand color blue vs bmw who secretly admires smurf..

[irablumberg]

Originally Posted by ixse

why o why do merc understand color blue vs bmw who secretly admires smurf..

+1

[dkhm3]

I can't believe mb is still without a real dual clutch.

The tranny is the worst part of my 63.

[dkhm3]

does not have dct. deal breaker for me. I think the zf 8 speed shifts faster and is more responsive than the 7 speed amg auto.

[MWS55]

Not a fan and I don't think anyone here is.

[Just_me]

[bimmerj]

http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-9...=1411546412633

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by MWS55

Not a fan and I don't think anyone here is.

I'm very interested. I'm definitely checking this car out along with the M3 when my lease is up.

[/// M sa]

Not impressed but will wait till I drive one

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by gthal

I think the bolded part is a load of hooey. The interior of the F8X is notably better than the E9X in almost every way. The leather quality, the real CF (versus CF look leather), full leather on the dash, etc, etc. You don't need to like the new one better but to say the interior is a step down is just wrong IMO.

I think from a materials POV the new car is a step-up but design wise I'm still undecided. I am one of the few that actually likes the double hump dash in my e92; I love that full leather now covers the dash but I wish that passenger side wedge? I don't know the part of the center console of the f8x that flows into the glove box was not as abrupt and flowed more like the 6 series.. but that's just nitpicking at this point

The thing I liked about sitting in the new C class this weekend was the size of the cockpit, or lack thereof. The f8x feels bigger inside than my e92 and I kind of like the "coziness" I don't know how better to describe it lol The materials of the new C were OK.. maybe I was expecting to be blown away by the press photos but there was still a lot of hard plastic to be seen; compared to a 328i it was a step-up, IMO.

I'm curious to see how the c63's interior improves upon the base car, IRL. So far based on everything, the F8x is still looking to be my next car; we shall see.