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No 335i modded with less power but more torque were out accelerating M3s. Well if their power to weight ratio was better perhaps you would get an even/drivers race. I get so tired of telling folks that crank torque is utterly meaningless. It is torque to the wheels (per weight of course) that matters and thus when taking into account gearing, that basically just turns out to be a long cut to simply talking about the engines peak power in the first place. The only time high crank torque matters is if at a given speed the torquier car can put down more torque to the wheels (again more power...). That can happen in some cases, but typically only when the wrong gear is chosen, i.e. bad driver. Of course there is always the highly insightful test of the 30 or 50 mph top gear roll on, in which again the high crank torque car may shine. Again, wrong gear for the job means poor performance - any car, it just can hurt low crank torque/high hp cars more.
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I hope 50/50 does go away it never was and never will be the best for a sports/sporty car. In the range of 45F/55R -> 40F/60R is superior from the perspective of many aspects of handling. Just more BMW marketing BS that many of us have accepted as gospel.
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Used GT-R will be my next M3/M4 or w/e they call it. E93 M3 will also be a keeper! Im sure it will be amazing, but $80k is approaching used supercar territory!
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10-04-2012, 08:44 PM | #95 | |
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Nice analysis. some point to M3's historically putting ~80-83% of the hp of the like-for-like generation M5, but was during times when the weight gain on both cars was proportionally similar.
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I was thinking the same thing about the price. Rather pay a lil more and get this purely from a pricing perspective (unless the m4 really is truly awesome.)
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This makes no sense. How can the new generation M3 have only a slight power bump over the 1M. The 1M will definitely weigh less, and is a "lower tier" M car as well as being an "older generation." I don't believe the 420/395 numbers for a second.
Unfortunately the "whole package" arguement only sells so many cars in the era of hp wars. The Mustang GT surely sends shivers down the spine of most M3 drivers these days, especially when the Mustang GT has near M3 handling.... |
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i agree. i love the direction the M4 is taking, but at that price point, it will be Gallardos all day
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I applaud BMW for getting the curb weight down. But, I hope they don't cheapen the stereo system to save weight. That could really impact how good the engine sounds.
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You need to put some substantive proof behind your "very likely" numbers because, if for no other reason, your conclusions conflict directly with what the moderator said and he has a direct line to the people who are making the car. |
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If BMW had released the F10 M5 weighing 300lbs less that the E60, with an extra 100lbs ft but still "only" 500hp. I doubt there would be many haters.
The 1 M surprised us all, it wins a hell of a lot of comparisons against some pretty damn good cars. With these specs it's likely that it will basically be in the weight range of a 1 M with an "American" driver, 420hp and 400ft lbs of torque, a stiffer chassis and M-DCT. Speed won't be a problem. Just look at the engine bay strut braces and the super flat cornering in the ring videos... I think the ace up the new m3's sleeve will be its handling dynamics, which is what it is supposed to be about. If you want to drag race people, wrong brand.
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..overextension fears me as well.... BMW is a Toyota / Apple philosophy now.. hopefully will be more Apple than Toyota
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how much weight can be saved with CFRP hood and trunk?
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sounds great. But I love my S65B40 more. IT"S NA!
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