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07-20-2013, 08:17 AM | #89 |
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1-2 offer i4s and i6s, 3-4 offer i4 and i6s, 5-6 offer i4, i6, and v8, 7 (8?) offer i6, v8, and v12...just saying.
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07-20-2013, 09:45 AM | #92 |
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Kers would add weight and $$$$. It sounds like M is pretty determined to cut weight every way they can.
With that said the new Mercedes S63amg just debut, and it has a smaller lithium ion battery instead of a conventional car battery which saves the S class around 40lbs...I bet the M3/M4 will do the same. Last edited by cs4444; 07-20-2013 at 10:00 AM.. |
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07-20-2013, 11:40 AM | #93 | |
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Still he could have just said "as a replacement for today's [heavy] lead-acid batteries", but instead he used the language "for auxiliary functions and support systems". Remember, the question was about a hybrid drive. I think he elected to qualify his answer carefully so as to not later be called out if/when M does employ technology that could loosely be grouped in with such types of drive systems. In other words, I think he was covering his bases by clarifying things right up front: we may use energy storage and we may use it to power electric motors like a hybrid does, but not connected to the drive wheels themselves. And yes, It is true that KERS will add weight, but so too will whatever solution they have engineered for the turbocharging system vs. the N55. For that matter, in general, high performance parts weigh more than non-high-performance ones. This is why all past M vehicles outweigh their non-M siblings. So, to the extent that M must employ solutions that allow their products to sit at the top of the performance heap, so too must they continue to accept that they will be penalized in the weight department for the use of those solutions. The key, then, is to eliminate weight in other areas where it is possible to do so without either accepting less performance or less durability/reliability as a result of the added performance. |
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07-20-2013, 12:58 PM | #94 | |
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i already know what some will say. "just get an m4 then" ...its not that easy. the m4 wont be AVAILABLE until over a year from now, but it will be revealed in just a few months... doesnt anyone see my gripe with this? its going to be a tease when a customer gets the brand new 435i delivered in september, only to have it ruined in january by a much more aggressive looking model. for those that could afford the M version and wouldve wanted it instead (such as myself), this will be bothersome. i dont want to wait another 15-16 months for an m4 but i also dont want my $65k 4 series to be a decision i regret in just 3 months from now the least they can do is not reveal it until later on in 2014, so that we can enjoy our base model 4 series coupes a little longer without having to wish it has the M aesthetics. |
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07-20-2013, 01:13 PM | #95 |
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That's it. Based on that official info, the M4 has already lost against the GT-R (present, past and future). To keep them in the battle AWD was an absolute must to put that power down the wheels. Trying to make up by reducing weight is a lost battle in a consumer car because they would have to cut by factor of two and the 50-50 weight distribution is no match against a car with AWD and stability control on all 4 wheels. GAME OVER. This car will be an efficient, fast souped up 335i but no contender among the greats.
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07-20-2013, 02:15 PM | #98 |
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I understand it's the future but I hope you guys are wrong about an electrical turbo. Not a deal breaker at all but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for convential turbos wether it's a 2 or 3 turbo system. 2 tiny turbos for quick spool up with a larger top range supporting blower would be cool. I would prefer that to a more complex less tested electrical setup at this point in time. Maybe bring the electrical stuff to a main stream car first. I'll take whatever they come up with for the engine but prefer if it's not to much elctrical assisted stuff.
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But I'll bet it does just fine against its true competition, even those with AWD such as next the S5 and C Class AMG coupe (assuming it gets AWD as rumored). There are some pretty fine automobiles out there without AWD to make them a "contender among the greats" such as a Corvette Z06 or 911 GT3. Not bad company to be in.
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07-20-2013, 03:43 PM | #101 |
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awesome! im getting excited as the days get closer!
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A tidbit of very positive news here IMO.
Couldn't Nitschke though at least got the correct redline for the current M5, it is not 7400 rpm as he stated, it is 7200 rpm. An simply inexcusable error in my evaluation. Quote:
Now that we have the "nothing new here" aside. The CF and magnesium in crash zones and the CF trunk lid are indeed both new and positive. I would not put that past BMW for one second.
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As regards the weight saving, he's just stating that next gen will continue with some of the allready implemented measures, as well as introducing some really significant new ones. Surely, that's not resting on the laurels is it? Are you saying they should abandon CF roof since the E9x allready has it? Or NOT use weight saving components in the engine, since that allready has been done? Until we get final specs it's hard to evaluate how far BMW has gone or how much further they have pushed the envelope compared with the E9X M3. Still a bit early to dismiss or applaud the next gen yet. But, some positive signs in that interview IMHO |
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07-20-2013, 05:24 PM | #107 |
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Engine configuration makes a BIG difference to the sound. That's why a 4 cyl turbo doesn't sound like a turbo 6 cyl, but still sounds like a 4 cyl...
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I'm not dismissing the car, not dismissing their weight savings efforts. I'd virtually guarantee the car will be lighter than the E92 M3 but likley won't be lighter than the 435i (truly apples to apples) and almost for sure nor lighter than 3300 curb. I've also stated many times that I'd also be willing to be that the car will continue its absolute class dominating position.
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07-20-2013, 08:04 PM | #109 |
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Hope this engine produces 450+ hp stock.
If Mercedes AMG can produce 355hp from their 2.0L 4 cylinder turbo than BMW should not have to try to hard to get 450hp from I6 turbo. |
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