M3/M4 or M2?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

That limited production is actually pretty interesting to me. Maybe another chance to get something like 1M with very limited depreciation

I didnt think the M2 was going to be limited production. Did I miss that somewhere?

[Brosef]

been wondering who was going to start this thread

[Loseit]

https://artofgears.com/2015/10/13/co...aster-than-m3/

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I didnt think the M2 was going to be limited production. Did I miss that somewhere?

I somewhat doubt it will be limited like the 1M was, especially given that they are going to the trouble of providing two transmission choices.

Unless stated otherwise somewhere (and it might have been - I could have missed it), I would expect it to continue through to the end of the F22 production run.

Originally Posted by Loseit

https://artofgears.com/2015/10/13/co...aster-than-m3/

That is a poor headline - needlessly ambiguous. Anyone who may be tempted to click - they are talking about the E92 M3, not the F80 M3.

In other news, the M2 is also faster than the E39 M5, the 1M, a Ferrari Dino, and a '65 Shelby Mustang.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Loseit

https://artofgears.com/2015/10/13/co...aster-than-m3/

No surprise its faster than an e92.

[BRBM]

Originally Posted by warzilla

So the true weight with manual is 3450. Thats minimal compared to the M4. While I want to wait till some reviews come out, I'm leaning toward the M2 only because of the footprint. While weight is the same and M4 has more power, the M2 just looks right in terms of size. The current M3/M4 is just too big - basically a previous gen M6 size in my mind.

If BMW could have cut 200 lbs from the M2, that would be the sweet spot. Maybe a Lightweight model in the future?

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah the 365hp is nice but I would have been much more tempted by a 3200-3300lb car with 350hp.

Yeah, that curb weight is slightly disappointing, 'cause from the BMW website's M4 weights of 3,585 (6MT) / 3,530 (DCT), the aforementioned 3200-3300 would've been nice.

On the other hand, most of us might be able to live with 3,450. At least the little biscuit eatin', plate lickin' fat bastard stopped 'fore he hit 3,500.....the generally accepted point of demarcation for fatties.

OK, OK........that was a joke, dare any hardcore loyalists get offended (says the gratuitous cheap shot artist driving a 4,040 lb. car barely bigger than a Civic.)

Dayum!! Can't even have a little fun? Geez.

[BRBM]

Oops..........transposed the #s, not that it matters now:

3530 = Manual
3585 = DCT

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

That limited production is actually pretty interesting to me. Maybe another chance to get something like 1M with very limited depreciation

Hopefully thinking but as is stock, doubt it. Maybe a special edition, M2 with different power plant (eg s55ish)with a limited production stamp on it. Then yes but it's going to cost.

[Ian1973]

I'd like to know what the difference is in engines. The largest thing with the S55 was the closed deck design. The press stuff I just read state the N55 has it also, along with the pistons from the S55, so what exactly would honestly be the difference between the two engines?

I bet like most of BMW's turbo engines this car will be underrated and will end up dynoing around 350rwhp.

I too am disappointed with the weight though. I figured they would use more CF to cut weight, but then again, this is the bargain M.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TheFlyingMouse

@nicknaz:
The 1M had the overboost feature as well, so part of it is probably throwback to that. I don't remember the M2 specs saying it had the same crazy radiator setup as the M3/M4, which might be required to run the high boost continuously.

If I read the press release correctly, it retains the air-to-air intercooler of the N55. So it will be more prone to heat soak.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

I'd like to know what the difference is in engines. The largest thing with the S55 was the closed deck design. The press stuff I just read state the N55 has it also, along with the pistons from the S55, so what exactly would honestly be the difference between the two engines?

Actually the biggest difference between the S55 and N55 is the use of two turbochargers instead of one.

Another fairly significant difference is that the S55 revs 600 RPM higher.

Edit: And CAM brings up a good point about the intercooler as well.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

I'd like to know what the difference is in engines. The largest thing with the S55 was the closed deck design. The press stuff I just read state the N55 has it also, along with the pistons from the S55, so what exactly would honestly be the difference between the two engines?

I bet like most of BMW's turbo engines this car will be underrated and will end up dynoing around 350rwhp.

I too am disappointed with the weight though. I figured they would use more CF to cut weight, but then again, this is the bargain M.

Easy one to start: Single Turbo vs Dual, no?

Beyond that, there were a whole bunch of other changes with S55 that made it a different engine....and I would have to dig into old posts to find that, but if you look at the launch stuff on M3/M4 you'll find it there.

[dim635csi]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

I'd like to know what the difference is in engines. The largest thing with the S55 was the closed deck design.

And LDS-coated aluminum cylinder liners vs cast iron in N55...

[doberzus]

-NO bespoke M engine(my X1 has an N55 )
-NO special M seats
-NO Carbon Fiber roof
-NO M mirrors.... What a joke.
-Rearend still looks blah IMO
-Underpowered, has less torque than a damn Focus RS and only 15hp more than the RS.
-6MT M2 Weighs the SAME as 6MT M3. 3450 I believe.
-One interior color choice(black... boring)
-3 bland colors and one vivid color.

What am I missing?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by doberzus

-NO bespoke M engine(my X1 has an N55 )
-NO special M seats
-NO Carbon Fiber roof
-NO M mirrors.... What a joke.
-Rearend still looks blah IMO
-Underpowered, has less torque than a damn Focus RS and only 15hp more than the RS.
-6MT M2 Weighs the SAME as 6MT M3. 3450 I believe.
-One interior color choice(black... boring)
-3 bland colors and one vivid color.

What am I missing?

Nothing. It definitely is a little brother to the M3.

[CSanto]

Originally Posted by doberzus

-NO bespoke M engine(my X1 has an N55 )
-NO special M seats
-NO Carbon Fiber roof
-NO M mirrors.... What a joke.
-Rearend still looks blah IMO
-Underpowered, has less torque than a damn Focus RS and only 15hp more than the RS.
-6MT M2 Weighs the SAME as 6MT M3. 3450 I believe.
-One interior color choice(black... boring)
-3 bland colors and one vivid color.

What am I missing?

+1, and I'm not a complete M3/4 Lover. If this car was going to be better than the M3/4 I'd admit it.

[fusionchicken]

Car looks great, but major fail with weight IMHO

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by doberzus

-NO bespoke M engine(my X1 has an N55 )

Not the same N55 in your wife's X1.

Originally Posted by doberzus

-6MT M2 Weighs the SAME as 6MT M3. 3450 I believe.

BMW states US curb weight of 6mt M4 at 3530 and 6mt M3 3540.

US curb weight 6mt M2 is 3450

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Not the same N55 in your wife's X1.


BMW states US curb weight of 6mt M4 at 3530 and 6mt M3 3540.

US curb weight 6mt M2 is 3450

I know it's not "SAME", I was using sarcasm... My point was that it's still an N55 and NOT an S engine.

There were a few members here who have weighed their lightly optioned 6MT M3/M4's at 3450lbs.

We shall see what M2 owners will come up with when they hit the scales.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by doberzus

I know it's not "SAME", I was using sarcasm... My point was that it's still an N55 and NOT an S engine.

It might as well be, since it is same bore stroke as S55. Uses S55 pistons and rings. Also uses the S55 crankshaft and main bearings. Modified oil sump from normal N55, to address track g loads. Bespoke air intake and additional water radiator for more cooling.

They went far beyond the what they did with the 1M and a N54 with a tune. If the S55 nomenclature wasn't already used. I bet the would have used it for this engine.

Originally Posted by doberzus

There were a few members here who have weighed their lightly optioned 6MT M3/M4's at 3450lbs.

We shall see what M2 owners will come up with when they hit the scales.

Yup, normally cars weight less when owners get them in their hands. I am sure the same will be true for the M2. E9x M3 weighed less than BMW curb weights.

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

It might as well be, since it is same bore stroke as S55. Uses S55 pistons and rings. Also uses the S55 crankshaft and main bearings. Modified oil sump from normal N55, to address track g loads. Bespoke air intake and additional water radiator for more cooling.

They went far beyond the what they did with the 1M and a N54 with a tune. If the S55 nomenclature wasn't already used. I bet the would have used it for this engine.

Damn it, now if it only had the power to back it up.

Like I said, once owners start to get them on the dyno, start adding mods, tunes, etc. We will see how capable this upgraded N55 will be. The S55 proved to be very capable.

At this point however, I do not regret taking back my deposit for the M2 and going for the 6MT F80.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by doberzus

-NO bespoke M engine(my X1 has an N55 )
-NO special M seats
-NO Carbon Fiber roof
-NO M mirrors.... What a joke.
-Rearend still looks blah IMO
-Underpowered, has less torque than a damn Focus RS and only 15hp more than the RS.
-6MT M2 Weighs the SAME as 6MT M3. 3450 I believe.
-One interior color choice(black... boring)
-3 bland colors and one vivid color.

What am I missing?

Well they got the fender flares right, more striking than the m4 in my opinion.