EXXEL Distributions
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > M3 / M4 Photos and Videos

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-13-2012, 12:42 PM   #89
vasillalov
Mad Linux Guru On The Loose
vasillalov's Avatar
1109
Rep
5,385
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
2023 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 335i E90  [8.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kardboard View Post
N55

^^^ That's an N54 engine.

THIS is N55:


The new M3/M4 is definitely designed from the N55: See the similarities:



I suspect that the two turbochargers are differently sized. You'll have a smaller turbo for the low range providing meaty torque and then a bigger turbo kicks in to maintain airflow and torque for the high end of the RPM range. Also, chances are, this will be a direct injection, which means it won't rev as high as the outgoing V8 in the current M3.

However, if BMW nail their software correctly, the new M3 engine will absolutely destroy the V8 in every parameter.

Me likey!
__________________
6MT | COBB | AR | AE | Forge DV | HPF | P3 Gauge | Hybrid Intake | O.S.Giken TCD | All M3 bits | TCKLine | StopTech | UUC | ER | SPEC
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:43 PM   #90
JEllis
Major General
JEllis's Avatar
529
Rep
5,498
Posts

Drives: E36 M3, E92 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Lassiter View Post
Nicely written post, I have a few points of my own to add. The US spec E36 M3 got a bad rap as it was a poor relation to the Euro version, down 80 naturally horsepower no less. That will not be the case with this engine, like the E46 and E9x the power will be the same both sides of the Atlantic. Also, the 1M engine, if I remember correctly, is exactly the same as the 135iS engine (I could be wrong here, if so someone pls correct). The f8x engine will have a raft of hardware changes and make far bigger power.

On a different note, I for one think it's great that this car will be lighter than the E9x. Sure, it'll still be a heavy car relative to a GT3 or Miata but the 4-5seats, proper trunk and all mod-cons give it massive real world practicality advantages. The M3 has been heavily biased towards being jack-of-all-trades vehicle since 1992. What sets it apart is that it is able to hit higher heights of track and fun than its direct rivals. I don't this one will disappoint. For a bigger, stiffer car to weigh less than it's predecessor is a huge step in the right direction, whether it's 200 lbs or 2lbs.
I agree with all your points. Especially the "jack of all trades" part. To me this was the most frustrating part of M3 evolution. I personally feel that the M3 should have remained biased towards its motorsport roots. I feel it was a mistake for BMW to depart from the original formula. BMW was only successful in doing this due to the fact that they still managed to do it better than Audi or Merc.

However, if the rumors are true, we may see a mass produced M3/4 CSL/RS/GTS this time around. Much like the 911, the M3/4 may come in many different flavors.

Jason
__________________
http://www.m3post.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic14547_7.gif
Instagram: jellismotorwerks
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:45 PM   #91
kardboard
Second Lieutenant
kardboard's Avatar
United_States
32
Rep
293
Posts

Drives: 2006 M3, 2010 135i, 2004 WRX
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2010 135i  [6.00]
2004 WRX  [8.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by vasillalov View Post
^^^ That's an N54 engine.

THIS is N55:


The new M3/M4 is definitely designed from the N55: See the similarities:



I suspect that the two turbochargers are differently sized. You'll have a smaller turbo for the low range providing meaty torque and then a bigger turbo kicks in to maintain airflow and torque for the high end of the RPM range. Also, chances are, this will be a direct injection, which means it won't rev as high as the outgoing V8 in the current M3.

However, if BMW nail their software correctly, the new M3 engine will absolutely destroy the V8 in every parameter.

Me likey!
thanks for the correction, i'm going to change my previous post.
__________________
2006 M3: Individual Blue Onyx on Black. MT
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:54 PM   #92
LemonOne
Major
LemonOne's Avatar
United_States
708
Rep
1,079
Posts

Drives: ///Most Powerful Letter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: East Coast

iTrader: (0)

Me like very many
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:54 PM   #93
techwhiz
Colonel
techwhiz's Avatar
United_States
453
Rep
2,973
Posts

Drives: e90 335i Sedan - Arctic
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Bay Area, Ca

iTrader: (4)

Bmw 2014 F80 M3 Engine (turbo Inline 6) Physically Exposed! Reply To Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by mapezzul View Post
Every M3 used the stock block up until the E9X cars.
Small correction...
The e30 M3 used a unique engine block that was a derivative of the M5/M6 of that time and both the 4 cyl and the 6 cyl were unique to the M cars.

There is no other BMW that used the S14 block from the e30 M3.
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:54 PM   #94
Diver
Brigadier General
Diver's Avatar
United_States
504
Rep
3,446
Posts

Drives: Black '12 135i - Sold
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

1M has an N54, 135is has an N55 with PPK II.

The layout of the intake and the rear pipe into the intercooler continues to convince me there is a second blower and it is not an exhaust driven turbo, but rather an electric supercharger. It appears that the second unit is located too far down and back to be exhaust driven, given the layout of either the N54 or N55 exhaust driven turbochargers.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:54 PM   #95
Carl L
Major
Carl L's Avatar
196
Rep
1,248
Posts

Drives: '15 M3
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEllis View Post
I agree with all your points. Especially the "jack of all trades" part. To me this was the most frustrating part of M3 evolution. I personally feel that the M3 should have remained biased towards its motorsport roots. I feel it was a mistake for BMW to depart from the original formula. BMW was only successful in doing this due to the fact that they still managed to do it better than Audi or Merc.

However, if the rumors are true, we may see a mass produced M3/4 CSL/RS/GTS this time around. Much like the 911, the M3/4 may come in many different flavors.

Jason
Well said.

Oh boy re your second paragraph, while good news that's going to be a nightmare when closing on purchase time. I was going to break with tradition and buy the first model year F82 (given BMWs experience with M tts and DCT plus the customer-testing on the F80) but the thought of them releasing a more focused model within 6-12 months would be a bitter pill to swallow.

I'm not saying it's not good news to have these options, but from a buyers perspective I'm not a fan. However, I DO appreciate the heads up.

For sure excited to see the F8x develop and get ready for production. I just wish I could get the crazy idea of buying a 2013 V8 and running it into the ground out of my mind....
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:57 PM   #96
BMWI6
Major
BMWI6's Avatar
Colombia
96
Rep
1,337
Posts

Drives: 335is
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Miami, Fl

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kardboard View Post
N54


N55


M3/M4 Engine




Does anyone think the engine looks the same? I don't. I believe they will give this engine a proper S designation.

Anyone think its larger than a 3.0L?

E46 M3
MAN!!! tHAT E46 M3 ENGINE IS SO BEAUTIFUL
__________________
If everything seems under control, then you aren't going fast enough"
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:57 PM   #97
Carl L
Major
Carl L's Avatar
196
Rep
1,248
Posts

Drives: '15 M3
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diver View Post
1M has an N54, 135is has an N55 with PPK II.

The layout of the intake and the rear pipe into the intercooler continues to convince me there is a second blower and it is not an exhaust driven turbo, but rather an electric supercharger. It appears that the second unit is located too far down and back to be exhaust driven, given the layout of either the N54 or N55 exhaust driven turbochargers.
Thanks for the info. Does the 335iS and Z4iS share the same N54, or does the 1M have changes?
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 12:58 PM   #98
Myaddiction
Second Lieutenant
87
Rep
286
Posts

Drives: X6M
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: San Diego CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 BMW M4  [0.00]
Can't wait to see what size turbos this has. The N54 puts down @430-450rwhp with less then 2K in mods on E85 with a good tune. This thing is going to be amazing.
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:03 PM   #99
Myaddiction
Second Lieutenant
87
Rep
286
Posts

Drives: X6M
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: San Diego CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 BMW M4  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Lassiter View Post
Thanks for the info. Does the 335iS and Z4iS share the same N54, or does the 1M have changes?
All the N54's have the same hardware. The only difference is the the 335is Z4is and 1M have a very mild tune from the factory.
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:11 PM   #100
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by techwhiz View Post
Small correction...
The e30 M3 used a unique engine block that was a derivative of the M5/M6 of that time and both the 4 cyl and the 6 cyl were unique to the M cars.

There is no other BMW that used the S14 block from the e30 M3.
Sort of true, but the S14 is still an M10 block with M88 heads with two cylinders removed. Semantics really, but the block and 150% of the head was used in all sorts of BMW's.
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:16 PM   #101
swanson
Convicted Felon
swanson's Avatar
733
Rep
2,180
Posts

Drives: chariot
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

One thing is sure, this car better perform because 1, its sounds like complete shit. I hate the sound of anything less then a V8. Sounds like a kids car with a fart can. 2, its gonna weigh more then the V8 M3. All the newer M's weigh more then their replacements. They're just gonna say the extra weight doesnt matter because the car has more torque. If it does weigh less, you can bet its gonna be one expensive M3. Its too fcuking bad they'll be no V8. I just cant imagine listening to that 6 cyl everyday.
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:19 PM   #102
mapezzul
Special Agent
mapezzul's Avatar
United_States
74
Rep
1,731
Posts

Drives: Depends on the day!
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Bavaria

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Bread View Post
Sort of true, but the S14 is still an M10 block with M88 heads with two cylinders removed. Semantics really, but the block and 150% of the head was used in all sorts of BMW's.
Exactly- thanks for keeping it real!

And people let's not kid ourselves here.... the N54 and its block have been sent out to pasture. Alpina is developing the N55 (maybe a future variant ) because "the N54 is no longer available". M is also in the business of advancing BMW designs- look at how M launched the "tü" of the N63 before even BMW did because M developed the new Valvtronic. The same should happen here.

And this car will definitely weigh LESS than the outgoing model as the F30 weighs less than the E90, and M is more efficient in weight use these days- it took less weight to go from F10 to F10M than E60 to E60M, same with the new M6.
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

Last edited by mapezzul; 09-13-2012 at 01:24 PM..
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:25 PM   #103
mrquick68
Private First Class
mrquick68's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
126
Posts

Drives: 2013 Audi S4/2015 X5 35d M
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kirkland

iTrader: (1)

yep, i want one hmmmm.
__________________
2022 M3 Comp XDrive - BSM on Silverstone - CCB - Exec Pack - CF Buckets - CF Ext and Int package - KW HAS Kit - Awaiting Delivery
1993 Porsche RS America - Polar Silver on Black - 229 of 701. Motion Control Coilovers - BBS LMs - 993TT Big Brakes - Roll bar - Recaro Sportster CS's - Golden Rod/Rothsport SSK - Full Race Billy Boat Exhaust - ERP camber kit
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:40 PM   #104
N54B30A
Captain
N54B30A's Avatar
Lebanon
223
Rep
698
Posts

Drives: 2021 HS M2C
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bay Area, California

iTrader: (0)

Wow at 2:13 in the video you can hear the turbo spool and faintly hear compressor surge!
__________________
2021 M2C HS DCT
2007 Wedge 335i E92 FBO, Stage 2 LPFP,VTT STG 2+, VTT Shotgun E50 w/ Inlets MT-SOLD
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:42 PM   #105
kmarei
Major General
kmarei's Avatar
Egypt
685
Rep
6,844
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi RS5 coupe
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Reston, VA

iTrader: (34)

Garage List
2018 Audi RS5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrympower View Post
i miss a nice Mpower badge///, like the s14 engine had
you mean like this?

i love my S14, it's an animal

__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:43 PM   #106
AbuArije5
First Lieutenant
11
Rep
353
Posts

Drives: Non
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New York

iTrader: (1)

I cant wait to see this motor has a lot of potential. But I would rather have an e92 m3
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:43 PM   #107
WarrantyTracker
Track? What Track? I was just riding along . . .
United_States
46
Rep
694
Posts

Drives: Alpine White E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: An Undisclosed Location

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ri335i View Post
My big fear was that this car would be a street queen given the turbo engine/resulting heat issues. A2L goes a long way to making this a trackable car.
I take it as a given that BMW will design an M3 that is trackable and in a different league overall than the other 3-series commutermobiles (my apologies for the reference; just keep repeating "useable torque" to yourself until you feel better).

My fear is that BMW may continue to have fits and starts with the motor engineering, like they've had on the N5X turbo motors and that Mini project, or that the things just won't run forever like the NAs have. I have an M20B motor from 1979 that still pounds it out in the original "fast" 3-series, the E21 Euro.

But the idea of having a 450HP motor with the turbos already on it, ready for whatever HP boost you can get out of reprogramming, is just nuts if you're only into the car for the short term, and that's the profile of the typical M3 owner these days. Right now it costs a fair whack to get a supercharger on the M3 -- though I am hopeful that the cost will drop as the car ages (as was the case with the E36 M3), since I am in the long-term owner category.
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:51 PM   #108
hector
Captain
36
Rep
713
Posts

Drives: e46 330ci, e92 335i, 2008 128i
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: virgo supercluster bwo Pennsylvania.

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mapezzul View Post
...
Based on the development schedule of the last two M models I still insist that this car will launch sooner than expected.
a little off topic but, speaking of launching, a little while back you wrote, and i'm paraphrasing: 'i can't believe that people think that the n55 will be the go-to engine in 2014'. i've been curious ever since to know what exactly you meant! can you share anything more about that?
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 01:57 PM   #109
mapezzul
Special Agent
mapezzul's Avatar
United_States
74
Rep
1,731
Posts

Drives: Depends on the day!
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Bavaria

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hector View Post
a little off topic but, speaking of launching, a little while back you wrote, and i'm paraphrasing: 'i can't believe that people think that the n55 will be the go-to engine in 2014'. i've been curious ever since to know what exactly you meant! can you share anything more about that?
Basically the engine will be long in the tooth at that point and BMW's development cycle for engines is a bit more rapid since they are producing more and trying to hit certain efficiencies as part of gov't mandates.

Look at the N63... look at when it was updated. Look at the N54, look at when it was beginning its phase out. There is a change coming
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Appreciate 0
      09-13-2012, 02:06 PM   #110
hector
Captain
36
Rep
713
Posts

Drives: e46 330ci, e92 335i, 2008 128i
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: virgo supercluster bwo Pennsylvania.

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mapezzul View Post
Basically the engine will be long in the tooth at that point and BMW's development cycle for engines is a bit more rapid since they are producing more and trying to hit certain efficiencies as part of gov't mandates.

Look at the N63... look at when it was updated. Look at the N54, look at when it was beginning its phase out. There is a change coming
wow; thx. for the ultra-rapid response!! let me push my luck a little and ask this: if i'm in the market for a 4_ _ or 2_ _ when they're released in a year or so, is it likely that they will have the next-gen 6cyl. engines? feel free to tell me to shut up anytime, lol.

Last edited by hector; 09-13-2012 at 02:59 PM..
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
2013 bmw m3, 2013 bmw m4, 2013 m3, 2013 m3 air curtain, 2013 m4, 2014 bmw m3, 2014 m3, 2014 m3 air curtain, 2014 m3 engine, 2014 m3 forum, 2014 m3 renders, 2014 m3 tire size, 2014 m3 tires, 2015 m3 engine, air curtain, air curtain bmw, air curtain bmw m3, air curtain m3, bmw air curtain, bmw f80, bmw f80 engine, bmw f80 forum, bmw f80 forums, bmw f80 m3, bmw f80 m3 sedan, bmw f80 m3 video, bmw f80 video, bmw f82, bmw f82 forum, bmw f82 forums, bmw f82 m3, bmw f82 m3 coupe, bmw f82 m3 forum, bmw f82 m4, bmw f82 m4 coupe, bmw f83, bmw f83 m3, bmw f83 m4, bmw m forum, bmw m forums, bmw m3 air curtain, bmw m4, bmw m4 coupe, bmw m4 coupe forum, bmw m4 forum, bmw m4 forums, bmw spy, bmw spy photo, bmw spy photos, bmw spy pic, bmw spy pics, bmw spy video, bmw spy videos, bmw spyshot, bmw spyshots, f30 m3 renders, f80, f80 bmw m3 engine, f80 engine, f80 m3 engine

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:59 PM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST