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      12-17-2017, 06:34 AM   #23
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So I'm just a few days into my radar/laser install and am trying to figure out the same issue.

I have an Escort Max 360 mounted under the rear view mirror as well as an ALP system installed. BOTH systems sound a laser alarm upon initial start-up. I know that I can disable the laser sensing on the 360 to solve the issue with that detector, but I'm at a loss to figure out how my front-bumper mounted ALP sensors are also picking up a false signal. This crazy, but I'm glad I'm not alone.
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On F8x, the only component with LIDAR (identical to a Laser Speed Gun) is the ID6 Touchscreen introduced for MY18.

If you want to test this, take black electrical tape and mask off the outer 1/2" of the screen.
I'm almost positive my '18 M4 ZCP doesn't have a touch screen, and I ticked everything but CCBs and the DCT.
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So I'm just a few days into my radar/laser install and am trying to figure out the same issue.

I have an Escort Max 360 mounted under the rear view mirror as well as an ALP system installed. BOTH systems sound a laser alarm upon initial start-up. I know that I can disable the laser sensing on the 360 to solve the issue with that detector, but I'm at a loss to figure out how my front-bumper mounted ALP sensors are also picking up a false signal. This crazy, but I'm glad I'm not alone.
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I'm almost positive my '18 M4 ZCP doesn't have a touch screen, and I ticked everything but CCBs and the DCT.
I think any '18 M3/4 has touchscreen regardless.

I don't think its the touchscreen doing this despite what hardware configurations may say on paper. Put a 15 foot extension on my V1 and can put it right up to my touchscreen and it doesn't go off. There is a diode in the windshield under the camera (under "connected drive") that supposedly is for the wipers but makes my V1 go off like nuts, even with the touchscreen covered using a LEAD apron. I think thats for the collision/pedestrian avoidance system unfortunately just like every mazda, volvo, and infinity. you point the V1 at this area and it goes off, even OUTSIDE the car with touchscreen covered. I think the false alarms inside the car are reflected/refracted beams within the windshield from this diode and number of false alarms goes WAY down if you mount the detector near the a-pillars. My laser alerts really go off when I drive up behind someone as well, making me think that it is reflected back laser.

Stinks that this is messing with the ALP system, but this also helps prove to me that it is in fact not the iDrive screen. Frustrating. Not sure the detector manufacturers can filter laser signals like they were able to for all these K-band blind spot mirror systems...

Hinckley - would be interested if you tried putting electrical tape over the opening for the diode under the connected drive logo on your windshield if that gets rid of your false alarms...just don't run anybody over!
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Stinks that this is messing with the ALP system, but this also helps prove to me that it is in fact not the iDrive screen. Frustrating. Not sure the detector manufacturers can filter laser signals like they were able to for all these K-band blind spot mirror systems...

Hinckley - would be interested if you tried putting electrical tape over the opening for the diode under the connected drive logo on your windshield if that gets rid of your false alarms...just don't run anybody over!
I changed a couple of the ALP's control unit settings (indicator lights and start-up sounds) and the false signals at start-up stopped. I suppose it may have been some sort of user error, but I don't know what.

I'll try to get to an electrical tape experiment over the next couple of days to see whether that helps with the Max 360. But at this point, I've just disabled the Escort's laser band.
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so I have a '16 F82 with an updated V1 mounted the same way with suction cups, and I've had no issues at all. my brother has a '15 F82 and ditto: updated V1 mounted the same way and no issues. couple months ago he bought a new 540, mounted an updated V1 that was in his X5, again the same way (we thought) and the thing went bananas, just like previous posts. bottom line: it's the mirror. in both M4s the unit was more than a hand's breadth to the right of the mirror, in the 540 the unit was exactly next to the right side of the mirror. moved the V1 farther to the right and presto! fixed!
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for clarity, I should have added to the above that all three cars use the Valentine remote display mounted in the instrument cluster, that's why we mount the units so far to the right. we do this for two reasons: it moves the lights from the V1 to the cluster where they can't be seen from the outside, and also because the remote display is a lot nearer the sight-line and way easier to see.
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So I'm just a few days into my radar/laser install and am trying to figure out the same issue.

I have an Escort Max 360 mounted under the rear view mirror as well as an ALP system installed. BOTH systems sound a laser alarm upon initial start-up. I know that I can disable the laser sensing on the 360 to solve the issue with that detector, but I'm at a loss to figure out how my front-bumper mounted ALP sensors are also picking up a false signal. This crazy, but I'm glad I'm not alone.
I believe it has something to do with the hand/motion/gesture controls. I have an Ď18 530i loaner and am having the same issue with constant false laser alarms. The nav gesture control is the only thing i can think of. There are 3-4 sensors mounted on each side of the gps screen that must use laser.
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Thank goodness I'm not the only one. Had a '15 F83 and my V1 gave me no problems for 3 years. Now I'm in an '18 F83 and the thing goes bananas. Initially I had it mounted under the mirror with a blendmount and it alarms (Laser) anytime you hold your hand up in the car (as though something is bouncing off your hand setting it off). I finally found if I mount it at the top of the windshield (above and to the right of the rearview) the false laser signals resolved... Until I drive into sunlight! Then not only do I get glare, but a never ending laser alarm as well. I'm all ears for a solution, but I think it's going to include just turning laser off for the V1.
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False Laser

The source is the gesture control camera. I have an F90 M5 Comp and I had the same problem. Put electrical tape over the gesture control camera in the overhead console and the false lasers go away. If you like gesture control then turn off laser detection on your detector.
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Played around with my car today with an extension cord on my V1 and agree the source is not the iDrive display...there appears to be a laser diode beneath the front windshield camera pointing forward. Just under where the "connected drive logo" is located. Lights up the V1 every time its near it. I think this is creating some scatter within the windshield that the V1 picks up when mounted anywhere around the rear view mirror. The farther away mounted from the rearview mirror the fewer falsies. If I mount mine near the A-pillars there is no false laser picked up at all. Just not a convenient location for the visor to work well.
That is correct. It's not the iDrive. It's something near the rear view mirror causing laser to go off randomly. And this also occurs with many other radar detector brands.
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I'm pretty sure it's the iDrive touch screen on the 2018s. I have a retrofitted ID6 nbt evo in my car and decided to update my iDrive screen to the touch one yesterday and once installed and coded, it was setting off my V1 constantly.
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I'm pretty sure it's the iDrive touch screen on the 2018s. I have a retrofitted ID6 nbt evo in my car and decided to update my iDrive screen to the touch one yesterday and once installed and coded, it was setting off my V1 constantly.
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That is correct. It's not the iDrive. It's something near the rear view mirror causing laser to go off randomly. And this also occurs with many other radar detector brands.
Yes I get laser detection around the iDrive screen AND outside the car in front of the "connected drive" wording, even with the idrive screen covered. Turned off laser on the V1...problem solved. With all the laser falses these days from Volvo, Mazda, Mercedes...etc. I wouldn't respond to it going off anyway. Best way to deal with this is an external system if you think you really need it. Not much laser near me.

Now that Waze is available in CarPlay that is a significant help!
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As stated earlier, two pieces of electrical tape strategically placed on the right and left border of the '18 idrive screen are all that's needed to stop the false laser alerts originating from the car. No need to disable them on the V1.
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The source is the gesture control camera. I have an F90 M5 Comp and I had the same problem. Put electrical tape over the gesture control camera in the overhead console and the false lasers go away. If you like gesture control then turn off laser detection on your detector.
Not in this case. It is the iDrive 6 predictive touch IR emitters combined with the screen position and light scatter. Even early F82/3 LCI that don't have functioning touchscreen do it because the IR emitters are there but they don't have the receivers.


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That is correct. It's not the iDrive. It's something near the rear view mirror causing laser to go off randomly. And this also occurs with many other radar detector brands.
iD6 screen is the primary culprit on these cars. As soon as it was introduced, these threads popped up en masse.

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Yes I get laser detection around the iDrive screen AND outside the car in front of the "connected drive" wording, even with the idrive screen covered. Turned off laser on the V1...problem solved. With all the laser falses these days from Volvo, Mazda, Mercedes...etc. I wouldn't respond to it going off anyway. Best way to deal with this is an external system if you think you really need it. Not much laser near me.

Now that Waze is available in CarPlay that is a significant help!
*SMH* you point the detector right at the ToF (LIDAR) KAFAS camera from the outside and you're surprised it triggers a false laser warning?

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As stated earlier, two pieces of electrical tape strategically placed on the right and left border of the '18 idrive screen are all that's needed to stop the false laser alerts originating from the car. No need to disable them on the V1.
I really need to have those trim veneers made ASAP for you guys.
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I really need to have those trim veneers made ASAP for you guys.
I'll be first in line for an OEM-looking trim that solves this!
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I really need to have those trim veneers made ASAP for you guys.
I'll be first in line for an OEM-looking trim that solves this!
I'll have a couple different designs done next month. Want to see what they look like installed first.

The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
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I really need to have those trim veneers made ASAP for you guys.
I'll be first in line for an OEM-looking trim that solves this!
I'll have a couple different designs done next month. Want to see what they look like installed first.

The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
I agree and think it would be a great if you could also make it anti fingerprint. I'd buy it in a heart beat
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I'll have a couple different designs done next month. Want to see what they look like installed first.

The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
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I'll have a couple different designs done next month. Want to see what they look like installed first.

The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
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I really need to have those trim veneers made ASAP for you guys.
I'll be first in line for an OEM-looking trim that solves this!
I'll have a couple different designs done next month. Want to see what they look like installed first.

The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
I agree and think it would be a great if you could also make it anti fingerprint. I'd buy it in a heart beat
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The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
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I'll have a couple different designs done next month. Want to see what they look like installed first.

The CF veneer matches OE twill and it's very thin (.5mm) incl the heat resistant self-adhesive backing. Can do gloss to match perfectly or satin scratch resistant finish. I'm just really anal about details and I don't think it will have a finished appearance without bonding a thin gorilla glass screen protector into it as well.
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Well just off of medium quality cad previews, CF looks like shit IMO since it causes the screen to look quite small. Probably better to just go gorilla glass with nano-carbon printed ink on the back side. Keeps the cover as thin as possible while being appropriate to block the IR emissions.
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Well just off of medium quality cad previews, CF looks like shit IMO since it causes the screen to look quite small. Probably better to just go gorilla glass with nano-carbon printed ink on the back side. Keeps the cover as thin as possible while being appropriate to block the IR emissions.
Works for me. Get it built and priced and Iíll buy one!
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Well just off of medium quality cad previews, CF looks like shit IMO since it causes the screen to look quite small. Probably better to just go gorilla glass with nano-carbon printed ink on the back side. Keeps the cover as thin as possible while being appropriate to block the IR emissions.
As long as the touchscreen still works count me in as well, would love to turn laser back on
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