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I dont know what we are comparing here. The two cars are so different in interior and exterior style that they should be appealing to totally different people. I honestly can never accept Mercedes design, and to be quite frankly, I feel disgusted every time I see the new Mercedes cars. I always tell whoever is with me at the moment "how do people buy these cars, they just look so bad!" and I mean that and I am not trying to get flamed here, just my honest two cents.
I'm sure people who own Mercedes say the same thing about us. They probably think BMWs are so understated and dull. |
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I personally have been thrilled with every new development I've read about the F80. The weight savings, the inline 6 motor, etc. All things that scream ///M to me. Quote:
With respect to the driving dynamics of the C63, have you driven a '12+ model? Several months ago I was contemplating an E9X M3 (before I ultimately chose the C63). I've explained my thoughts on how the two compared several times but the short version is this: the M3 felt lighter and the DCT was quicker (especially the upshifts in M mode) but on the street, the C63 felt like one of the most neutral cars I've ever driven (period, not just in its class). The C63's steering was firmer (consistently so) and more communicative. I was also surprised that the C63 had the firmer ride. For daily driving purposes, the two were basically equal, as far as "handling" is concerned. The C63's extra power and torque, combined with the glorious sounds it made, broke the tie for me. The M156 pulls insanely hard at 5.5k, all the way out to 7,300 rpm. In the hands of the average driver, I'm confident that the E9X M3 will turn out faster laps (especially on technically demanding tracks) because it's lighter and a bit less powerful (much more confidence inspiring). You can get in trouble with the heavier, more tail happy C63 in a hurry but in the hands of capable driver, it is hard to beat on faster, long sweeper-filled tracks.
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02-07-2014, 10:41 AM | #290 |
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I would drive this over the M4 for some reason, I know tuning will be a lot easier and gains with be outrageous.
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Newest sources (Rolf Kacher AutoBild) rumors an debut of the new W205 C63AMG for as early as March 2014 (Geneva Auto Show?) ... this meens that it would comes most probably with the M157 Engine with 5.5ltr.V8TT and 525hp/553hp(S-Model) ... an March debut come too early for the M177 engine, because this complete new engine is scheduled for debut in the new SLC/GT, which comes earliest late 2014 with an possible press debut at the german F1 Grand Prix.
If because of this reason the M157 was choosen, and this engine come in the lowest output version, this meens the quoted 525hp for the standard version and let enough space for ~30hp stronger S-Version even below of the standard E63s outpot. If AMG gains some extra weight reductions over the standard C205s 100kg reduction, than the weight difference vs. the M3/M4 would even be lower than by the preceesors Seem that the new C63 could be first time quicker also on track than the M3/M4 . |
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02-17-2014, 12:19 PM | #293 | |
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Who says the engine has to arrive in the C190 first? That car is slated to get the M178, by the way, which is a higher output version. We've already heard the M177 confirmed for the W205 "C63" by officials in AMG. To me, at this point there is almost zero chance the car gets the M157. And even if it did, that does not mean it will make 525hp just because that's the lowest output it has been offered in previously. |
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02-17-2014, 12:33 PM | #294 | |
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The only question is if the new C63 would get this engine from its debut on or with the MOPF !? |
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02-17-2014, 12:42 PM | #295 | |
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imo the car will have the 4.0 from the outset, and still be heavier and worse handling than the m3 as usual. but, it will be a compelling car at a good price for dd duties, especially if you are an automatic gearbox kinda guy
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AND for sure the C63 will be heavier than M3/M4 but I think the difference between the two car would be much smaller vs. the hp-difference would getting greater !? |
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Disagree on the "worse handling" comment. The lap times have proven that the LCI W204 C63 (which has almost an entirely different suspension than the pre-LCI model that debuted in '08) is a very competent competitor to the E90 M3, as far as handling is concerned. Of course, in the hands of average drivers (i.e., those people that are just starting/beginning to "track" their cars), I would agree that the lighter, less powerful car would be easier to drive "faster." I've driven each car extensively over the years (love them both) and after my most recent back-to-back comparison, I concluded that the LCI C63 felt just as neutral as the M3, had better turn-in feel (crisp, responsive), and had slightly better steering feel overall (including a nice, consistent weight). The W204 is heavier though. Without a doubt. For example, when correcting oversteer in the E90 M3, the car is very easy to bring back. With the extra weight in the C63, the car snaps/bites back a little harder when correcting. It can be a little nerve-wracking at first until you get a feel for it. And from the factory, even the LCI C63 was limited somewhat by it's laughably skinny rear tires (255-section rears). With 275s in the back (and 245s up front), grip increases dramatically and you can use the car's additional power more effectively. The W205 is getting a weight reduction of at least 110 lbs but if the weights that BMW M have been promoting for the F80 and F82 are true, the W205 definitely has its work cut out for it. I think a well-optioned, fueled-up F80 M3 with DCT will come in at over 3,450 lbs.
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Hmmm- definitely prefer the look of the old car but then again these are only renderings, could look nothing like this when released.
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Personally, I don't like Mercedes Transmission. It's behind BMW's DCT
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E63: My E550:
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But other than that, the same, I agree. It's the same with the M3 and the 3er or the M5 and 5er. They share substantially the same interiors, the same doors, grille design (minus the difference in the actual bars), headlight design, etc. Because you're not familiar with Mercedes designs, you're naturally less keen on picking up on the differences. It's natural. You're pretty dead set on avoiding the next C63 so I don't know why you're worried about it haha.
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