S55 vs. S65

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

You see sound is probably the most important thing for me. I don't track my cars and as long as they are "fast enough", I'm happy. I don't care if they do 60 mph in 3.9s vs 4.1s. I'm not going to time myself in a race track. I do care how the car sounds like when I downshift in a tunnel though.

And that's cool too. I like the way my m3 sounds but I also really liked the way my 1m sounded with aftermarket midpipe. Ditto for the 335is.

So I think the new m3 will also sound good.

Personally I am much more interested in the driving experience, quality and fun factor than anything else. I welcome the new m3, it ticks almost all the boxes for me.

If it's not for uou, you have an e9x m3 which has proven over time to be quite reliable. If uou love it, keep it! Great car

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

You see sound is probably the most important thing for me. I don't track my cars and as long as they are "fast enough", I'm happy. I don't care if they do 60 mph in 3.9s vs 4.1s. I'm not going to time myself in a race track. I do care how the car sounds like when I downshift in a tunnel though. I hope the new car sounds good enough.

I'm going to ask a few questions. First you state with unwavering affirmation that the new car sounds 'horrendous', and that the sound is a deal breaker. You then retract that statement within a very short period of time to state that the car sounds 'okay enough'. Now it has gone back to 'hoping' that the car is going to sound good enough. Why are you all over the place???? You are a interesting character. I state that because you make statements and then backpedal once contested. I understand what you're looking for in a car (..and we all look for something different), but if the car sounds very similar to the video clips, will you still buy the car? Yes or no? If yes, why (..considering it doesn't meet your sound criteria)?

[iPhone vs Android]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

And that's cool too. I like the way my m3 sounds but I also really liked the way my 1m sounded with aftermarket midpipe. Ditto for the 335is.

So I think the new m3 will also sound good.

Personally I am much more interested in the driving experience, quality and fun factor than anything else. I welcome the new m3, it ticks almost all the boxes for me.

If it's not for uou, you have an e9x m3 which has proven over time to be quite reliable. If uou love it, keep it! Great car

Yeah believe me I have gone over this scenario (keeping the M3) for so many days/weeks in my head now, unfortunately it ends up costing so much that its not the logical thing to do otherwise I would have done it

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

And that's cool too. I like the way my m3 sounds but I also really liked the way my 1m sounded with aftermarket midpipe. Ditto for the 335is.

So I think the new m3 will also sound good.

Personally I am much more interested in the driving experience, quality and fun factor than anything else. I welcome the new m3, it ticks almost all the boxes for me.

If it's not for uou, you have an e9x m3 which has proven over time to be quite reliable. If uou love it, keep it! Great car

Same here....


....and I still have a lot of love for the E9X and the E46 (..more for my '05 ZCP M3 however; I was most emotionally connected to that car).

[iPhone vs Android]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm going to ask a question. First you state with unwavering affirmation that the new car sounds 'horrendous', and that the sound is a deal breaker. You then retract that statement within a very short period of time to state that the car sounds 'okay enough'. Now it has gone back to 'hoping' that the car is going to sound good enough. Why are you all over the place???? You are a interesting character. I state that because you make statements and then backpedal once contested. I understand what you're looking for in a car (..and we all look for something different), but if the car sounds very similar to the video clips, will you still buy the car? Yes or no?

Where did I say it sounds okay enough? It sounds terrible in all the videos so far, I hope by the time my CA calls me for a test drive the issue is fixed (quoting auto week here about BMW trying to fix this issue). I don't think the car sounds okay right now.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

Where did I say it sounds okay enough? It sounds terrible in all the videos so far, I hope by the time my CA calls me for a test drive the issue is fixed (quoting auto week here about BMW trying to fix this issue). I don't think the car sounds okay right now.

It was stated in one of your posts, but I don't feel like looking for it. I'm still curious though, if the sound is not to your liking will you buy the car??? And if the answer is yes, why? I'd like to know your reasoning behind buying a car whose sound you find terrible, especially considering that sound is at the top of your priority list (..and claiming to be 'forced' to buy the car is not a valid reason).

[iPhone vs Android]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It was stated in one of your posts, but I don't feel like looking for it. I'm still curious though, if the sound is not to your liking will you buy the car??? And if the answer is yes, why? I'd like to know your reasoning behind buying a car whose sound you find terrible, especially considering that sound is at the top of your priority list (..and claiming to be 'forced' to buy the car is not a valid reason).

If the sound is like that of a 335 or in other words what we see in the videos, I will not buy the car unless when I drive it there are certain aspects of it that makes me fall in love with it to the point where the sound is no longer an issue. You see, I don't have a magical answer to you and I'm sorry that my answer was not satisfactory for you so that you could attack me further.

I want to like this car. You see, that's the difference between me and the other people who have issues with this car.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

If the sound is like that of a 335 or in other words what we see in the videos, I will not buy the car unless when I drive it there are certain aspects of it that makes me fall in love with it to the point where the sound is no longer an issue. You see, I don't have a magical answer to you and I'm sorry that my answer was not satisfactory for you so that you could attack me further.

I want to like this car. You see, that's the difference between me and the other people who have issues with this car.

Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. So you rant and rave about sound (..and how it is a veritable deal breaker), but we've just established that you'll be willing to buy the car anyway because all of the other positive attributes (...thus negating all of the tired sound arguments that you present). Great! So with that said, will you please stop harping on about sound since you'll likely end up with the F8X anyway. Save us the diatribe and be more constructive here.

[iPhone vs Android]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. So you rant and rave about sound (..and how it is a veritable deal breaker), but we've just established you'll be willing to buy the car anyway because all of the other positive attributes (...thus negating all of the tired sound arguments that you present). Great! So with that said, will you please stop harping on about sound since you'll likely end up with the F8X anyway. Save us the diatribe and be more constructive here.

Okay, fine, I will stop.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

Where did I say it sounds okay enough? It sounds terrible in all the videos so far, I hope by the time my CA calls me for a test drive the issue is fixed (quoting auto week here about BMW trying to fix this issue). I don't think the car sounds okay right now.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It was stated in one of your posts, but I don't feel like looking for it. I'm still curious though, if the sound is not to your liking will you buy the car??? And if the answer is yes, why? I'd like to know your reasoning behind buying a car whose sound you find terrible, especially considering that sound is at the top of your priority list (..and claiming to be 'forced' to buy the car is not a valid reason).

This is what was said:

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

I dont care at all about the exhaust that much to me they all sound decent enough, my problem is with the engine. Have you driven a E9X on 3rd gear all the way to 8300? Do you know how it sounds like both from driver's seat and outside? That's my baseline. I'm willing to give up some of that for better economy and gadgets but the videos of the current car has been disappointing.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post15291614

So, are you basing your view on engine sound of the S55 from the videos that contains exhaust sound?

And at some stage you don't care about exhaust sound, and they all sound "decent enough" and now it sounds like crap. You change opinion so often it sometimes seem you just made them up and then forget what you wrote previously...

[///M ARMY]

Omg this is still going on smh lol

[exmowner]

Originally Posted by biglare

+1

+625

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by UAM951

Omg this is still going on smh lol

These idiotic debates should be PMs since they aren't even about the S55 engine itself anymore. It's just guys arguing with each other about whether someone defined their personal criterion for a great car 30 posts ago or not. No one wins these debates; M3Post loses as a whole.

[elitex]

I think s55 will sound good but different than the current M3. Not sure how the engine will feel as none of us has driven one.

With that said, S65 definitely feels more special than my S63TU. I think all the noises coming from the engine plays a big part also. I really want the S55 to make some engine noise which I don't think is going to happen. I am sure all the power and torque will make up for it.

[BMWinGE]

Originally Posted by Sapper_M3

These idiotic debates should be PMs since they aren't even about the S55 engine itself anymore. It's just guys arguing with each other about whether someone defined their personal criterion for a great car 30 posts ago or not. No one wins these debates; M3Post loses as a whole.

+1

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Real Deal

If anyone could have an M3 with a tuned N54 engine and larger turbos would do it. Well I know I would and I am since I am buying the new M3. Looks like all the old e92m fan boys will be buying the zo6 (I am as well next year). How many m3s got their asses handed to them by a moded n54 and then had to bring up how trackable their cars were lol. Well now not only your old m3 is going to get its ass kicked by the new m3 on the streets, it will also on the track. But yeah keep taking about the v8 and the amazing sound as I am passing you by with a car that has an engine built on the series line and it's cheap.

Originally Posted by TTSam

What are you like 12 years old? No need to prove it by responding by the way..............

Manhart had at least one paying customer thinking that a E92 M3 should have the N54 engine, with a tune...

Manhart Racing is specialized in BMW engine conversions, performance upgrades and carbon fiber aftermarket parts. At Manhart Racing nothing is what it seems like. Just like the white M3 e92 isn’t a M3. It has a M3 body but a N54 engine which they have boosted up till 512 hp and 645NM.

http://www.trackandtuner.com/article...manhart-racing

[Jockey]

While I do my love my N54, for the life of me I don't understand why someone would do that. That can't be cheaper than putting a S/C on a S65.

[mikelowery]

Originally Posted by Jockey

While I do my love my N54, for the life of me I don't understand why someone would do that. That can't be cheaper than putting a S/C on a S65.

its for people with to much money

they simply wanted a M3 body with N54 engine. cost was of little importance

[eMvy]

All the love in the world for the S65 and lots of miles behind one, but here’s what keeps coming to mind when I hear the NA engine debate. IIRC, the S65 cost a lot more to manufacture than the S55. For the F80/F82 to improve in engine performance with a NA motor, it would need to approach, let’s say – S65B44 levels. I'd imagine it would cost the same, if not more than the S65 in its time.

Stuffing a S65B44 like engine into a F30/32 chassis would have left you with a car that performed no better than the E92. Just an upgrade in tech gadgets and sheet metal with the same performance would have buried this car. The R&D and materials that went into weight reduction cost money, and it had to come from some category. Unless you raise the base price of the car, in what other category could you have cut costs while improving performance? And without departing from the M luxo sports car formula?

[verbs]

Originally Posted by eMvy

Stuffing a S65B44 like engine into a F30/32 chassis would have left you with a car that performed no better than the E92. Just an upgrade in tech gadgets and sheet metal with the same performance would have buried this car.

I disagree. The S65B44 engine made 30hp/20tq more at peak levels, and made more power throughout the entire power curve. That engine in the F30/F32 which still would have probably weighed less than the E90/92 chassis even with the S65B44 motor, and would have been faster, period. Maybe not earth shattering faster, but faster.

[solstice]

Two reasons.

1. Cost savings
2. Emissions ( not really mpg, turbo engines aren't all that frugal that many seem to think. )

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by solstice

Two reasons.

1. Cost savings
2. Emissions ( not really mpg, turbo engines aren't all that frugal that many seem to think. )

Two reasons.

1. Horsepower
2. Torque