Alfa Giulia Coupe

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Darth One

Doesn't it? Admittedly it's a game of inches on the street but IIRC the Alfa was better in the standard instrumented testing. On the Nürburgring the Alfa crushes the BMW. I just used Wikipedia and C&D for these numbers so I'm happy to be proven wrong by other sources.

My real point, though, is whether or not you agree that the current QF is better, that coupe above is going to raise the bar by a huge amount.

Looking at the multiple INDEPENDENT track tests done by publications worldwide, the Giula QV and M3/4 are fairly closely matched in terms of lap time victories, but when the M3/4 wins it does so by a greater margin than when the QV wins. Which tells me the M3/4 is slightly superior on track. And this despite the fact that the QV has more power, sticky r-comp tires and supposedly better handling. Go figure. Now, put r-comp tires on an M3/4, as all of us track rats do, and it will destroy the QV.

And that is the great mystery to me. How can a car with more power, more grip and superior handling feel not trounce the M3/4 on track ?

As for the 'ring time, the only instance where the QV supposedly "crushes" the M3/4, it is from a factory test with a factory driver. Hardly objective or independent. Only when Auto Motor und Sport supertest a QV around the 'ring will we have a true apples-to-apples comparison. But Alfa have so far declined to provide a QV to AM&S for them to supertest. I wonder why

That being said, this coupe sure looks promising

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AllRoadPerformance

By every major car review source, it does. (Believe me, I hate admitting that myself).

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ifoglio-page-5

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...s-amg-comparo/

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big...m4-competition

If you tally up all the results in this international compilation comparison thread, you'll find the M3/4 finished ahead of the QV more often than the QV did over the M3/4 (7 to 5 if I counted right).

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1067504

Interestingly, it is mostly in US and UK reviews that the QV wins.

Further, the Giulia mostly wins in subjective evaluations (which is an important consideration), but for me, who uses these as dual use cars for DD and track, track performance is an important consideration. IMO, if the M3/4 is able to match or beat the QV with less power and less grippy tires, it is the better track car of the two.

[fusionchicken]

thing's a stunner, I love the way the sedan looks too this coupe will look incredible on the streets if it looks remotely close to the rendering here

[Parabolica]

Damn that really looks good. If its as good as it sounds, i am in.

[mcc3456]

Originally Posted by fusionchicken

thing's a stunner, I love the way the sedan looks too this coupe will look incredible on the streets if it looks remotely close to the rendering here

Rumor has it there might be a super sexy 4 door coupe version too, which would be pretty amazing. Either way, looking forward to stepping up to 640hp from the already impressive 505hp Giulia QV.

[996ttelise]

AF needs to get their shit together. The Guilias are crap when it comes to reliability and the Stelvio . . . well I heard last night that there is apparently a recall and no one can sell any more Stelvios until the recall is addressed. Stay tuned, but crazy if correct that sales were halted. Went to pick up wife for lunch yesterday and had to wait an hour as dude showed up right before me to complete his manufacturer buy back paper work for his Guillia. One of her best friends purchased one and it apparently is always in the shop as well.

That said, the coupe looks nice. The sedan to me look like a chick's car when seeing them on the road . . . great for a girl, but not so much for a dude. Something small and economy looking about it, especially from behind . . . or the side for that matter.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by mcc3456

Rumor has it there might be a super sexy 4 door coupe version too, which would be pretty amazing. Either way, looking forward to stepping up to 640hp from the already impressive 505hp Giulia QV.

With that much hp, those things will be falling apart at red lights and causing traffic jams across the country.

[dmboone25]

Looks awesome.

But will it run, or just sit there? They aren't the most reliable car maker, at least historically...

[BoxKing]

Coupe and manual ... most likely not so although it looks nice it can eat a dick.

Btw it looks great.
Also looks like an M4

[FC4]

Everyone want a manual in every new car coming out...right until they actually buy it.

[eMvy]

Looks gorgeous. I've just always thought those wheels are absolutely hideous. The car would look so much better without.

[Habber]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Don't make it look ugly from the front..

Don't make it look ugly from the front..

Don't make it look ugly from the front....

Make it MT to cure the front end look

Make it MT to cure the front end look

Make it MT to cure the front end look

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by FC4

Everyone want a manual in every new car coming out...right until they actually buy it.

That’s not an option people ponder. Either you want it or you don’t.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

That’s not an option people ponder. Either you want it or you don’t.

What I mean is whenever a new performance-car is announced which will not come in manual, everyone throws a hissy fit. Cringey shit like "no manual, no care" is not uncommon to hear. If even half the number of people who complained about the lack of new cars with a manual actually bought manual cars...manuals would not be going away (as rapidly).

[48Laws]

I agree. Many aren’t even in the market. Lol.

[adc]

Originally Posted by FC4

What I mean is whenever a new performance-car is announced which will not come in manual, everyone throws a hissy fit. Cringey shit like "no manual, no care" is not uncommon to hear. If even half the number of people who complained about the lack of new cars with a manual actually bought manual cars...manuals would not be going away (as rapidly).

Hey I’m doing my bit. Outgoing manual M3 and just ordered another one.

No manual, no care.

And the Giulia simply doesn’t have the aftermarket support that BMW does - track related is what I need: wheels, tires, brakes, power, suspension etc you name it. And wouldn’t it be a waste if you bought a car in this category and never tracked it...

[halfpast3]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

With that much hp, those things will be falling apart at red lights and causing traffic jams across the country.

I may or may not have spit some coffee out right now...

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by FC4

Everyone want a manual in every new car coming out...right until they actually buy it.

I don't know how to drive automatic. So, I am resigned to driving manuals for the rest of my life. I am the "no manual, no care" captain.



On a more serious note, I've bought three automatic trans cars in my life (out of 30+), and all three were for my wife. But, the overall numbers support your claim.

Part of the problem, I think, is that people are not taught manual transmission anymore. So, naturally the take rate is decreasing. People are also lazier - "oh there's too much traffic here for a manual transmission." Umm what? Every time I hear that, I read that the person is just too lazy to drive manual. It does not take any effort to drive stick shift.

Plus, now the manufacturers aren't even hiding it anymore. New M5 with a legit auto transmission. Can't even pretend anymore that it's a manual just no clutch. lol

[Tacoma]

New info...

The Giulia Coupe will be called the GTV and will be a hybrid. They're also resurrecting the 8C with over 700HP. ETA for both is 2022. More info HERE.

Year 2022 is about when the G80 M4 comes out. The GTV will have over 600HP AWD and hybrid. It's going to be interesting how BMW is going to respond. They're going to have to up their game.

[mcc3456]

It is going to be a light hybrid with Ferrari KERS technology and it is going to be an absolute monster: Giulia Quadrifoglio TT 2.9L V6 + KERS for an extra 135hp. Rumored to be close to 640hp. Sizewise, will compete directly against M4 since it is build on Giulia Quadrifoglio’s Giorgio platform NOT a bloated M8 competitor. Should kill an M8 though based on power, weight, balance, price. BMW had better get back to the drawing board ASAP because Alfa just threw down the gaunlet. They have a huge tctical advantage of not being constrained by already having a more expensive model sitting above it like the M4 which will have the M8. BMW will never make the M4 faster/more powerful than its much more expensive upscale siblings. It is pretty much landlocked. Will be interesting to see how BMW responds.

[No Boost]

Just as the C63 coupe is a transformational aesthetic upgrade over the sedan, so is this QV coupe. The profile is just about perfect. I'm sure the rear looks the part also. Keep an eye out for monumental discounts from dealers.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

...Further, the Giulia mostly wins in subjective evaluations (which is an important consideration), but for me, who uses these as dual use cars for DD and track, track performance is an important consideration. IMO, if the M3/4 is able to match or beat the QV with less power and less grippy tires, it is the better track car of the two.

For me, it's more complicated than that. I did many, many track days over the years, first as a student and then as an instructor - and my most fun track cars were a stock '98 ACR Neon (except for sneakers and front pads), and an aftermarket-suspended, smog-legal-aftermarket-exhausted, chipped 2001 GTI. The SRT4 Neon I had was nearly as fun (and tons faster) than the two cars just mentioned. (Actually, maybe the SRT4 was just as much fun as the two mentioned, but that was because it was a bunch quicker around a given course than a ton of BMWs I would run against, leading to much gnashing of teeth of the Bimmer faithful, and many questions after a given track session as to whether it was stock. Answer: Yes, except for sneakers and front pads.)

All three cars required more "driver involvement" to get through a given lap, throwing them into certain corners with wild abandon in order to get them to rotate properly.

Bottom line: Both cars were more fun around any given circuit than the E36 and E46 M3s I ran. Faster? Hell no, except for the SRT4.

But more fun than a barrel of monkeys, as they say.

For me, a better track car is one I enjoy more while careening around.