Should I consider the M4?

Never_Enough · 05-14-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Definitely doesn't hurt. Having owned one a few years back, I can tell you that you will likely be highly disappointed in straight line speed in stock from. Tons of aftermarket nowadays via BEF, bolt-ons, E85, and PURE Turbos, but now youre adding more $$$$ to the expense line.

Yea, not going mod crazy with anything I buy. It has to be factory fast or already modded by PO for me.

gatorfast · 05-14-2018, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

You guys must not like your M4

We love our cars. But if your main concern is simply straight line speed there are better cars for less money that will do the trick. You asked, we answered.

nicknaz · 05-14-2018, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

Sold it to free up more $ to buy a house, but the market is stupid high so I'm likely not buying now & putting it off so I'll buy another toy as the withdrawal is too strong.

Toss a v8 into the your Miata?

How about a used c7z? Seems like it's a low $60k car now

Never_Enough · 05-14-2018, 06:44 PM

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Toss a v8 into the your Miata?

How about a used c7z? Seems like it's a low $60k car now

Would love to, but too costly right now. C7 is on the list.

Ian1973 · 05-14-2018, 07:12 PM

2013-2014 Shelby GT500?

Never_Enough · 05-14-2018, 08:06 PM

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2013-2014 Shelby GT500?

Manual trans so no thanks

fusionchicken · 05-14-2018, 09:46 PM

I have a C6Z now and get to drive the M3/M4 often

If you're not concerned about absolute performance i.e. how fast the car can actually run in the 1/4 mile, seat of the pants wise under 120mph the M3/M4 honestly feels just as quick as the LS7, especially when the boost comes on. The LS7 feel much more linear than the S55.

I freaking love doing pulls in 2nd and 3rd gears in the M3/M4 because the car feels so quick when the turbos hit full boost. IMO the M3/M4 "felt" faster than the F10 M5 (under 120mph) I drove as well, because the M5 is so much heavier. IMO an E85 JB4 M3/M4 should be a complete riot for street use and occasional canyon carving, the LS7 really only comes fully alive past 4500rpm IMO, despite its good low end torque as well

Of course all our butt dynos are calibrated differently so go drive one yourself and make your own decision

You can find a local Carmax to drive an M3/M4 easily as they usually have a few sitting around. I don't think you'll be disappointed!

Fuller · 05-15-2018, 12:44 AM

When it comes to our desire for non-essential luxuries like high performance cars, it's an emotional purchase. We can't always explain to others why we're drawn to certain cars. This is also why threads like this can be mildly frustrating for the op as well as participants. You're asking about a certain car that you've been interested in (m4 in this case) and you hope that at some point, someone will list reasons to hold the m4 in high esteem, despite it not necessarily being the ideal fit based on the criteria you listed. It's like you're hoping that someone will be able to itemize your interest in the m4 in a way that you know intuitively, but haven't yet fleshed out yourself.

The disconnect arises because those who attempt to address your questions apply cold logic and reason, based on the criteria you listed. It's all we really have to go on, and as outside observers we're emotionally detached. Or on the contrary, some of us might choose to live vicariously through you by suggesting cars that we're interested in, but stop short of buying. The best feedback you can get from all this is that, despite many members telling you why the m4 isn't the best match for your criteria, you're still interested in test driving the car. This means, you're intrigued by the m4 to some degree, and that won't stop until you take it for a test drive. Depending on how the test drive goes you'll either dismiss it if underwhelmed, buy one if you enjoy it, or continue trying to reach the unscratched itch if you like it but elect not to buy it. In short, the m4 is in your head

The good thing about the f80/82 is if you find you like the package but want a little more raw power, you can probably tune it easily and for relatively low cost. That's a benefit to twin turbo charged engines.

cartOC · 05-15-2018, 02:55 AM

2019 Shelby GT-500 is coming out supposedly next year. 700+ HP, and allegedly two transmission options, 6 MT or the new Ford 10 Spd automatic, similar to the one in its rival, the new ZL1.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ate-info-news/

tropicalypso · 05-15-2018, 11:14 AM

My two cents... you may or may not like the torque curve in a M4/M3. Its nothing like an all motor or supercharged car. The M smacks you in the mouth at about 2500 to 3000k rpms.

Never_Enough · 05-15-2018, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tropicalypso

My two cents... you may or may not like the torque curve in a M4/M3. Its nothing like an all motor or supercharged car. The M smacks you in the mouth at about 2500 to 3000k rpms.

Very familiar with turbo cars that do that sort of thing.

I was planning to drive one this weekend, but looks like rain.

Never_Enough · 05-16-2018, 10:40 AM

Anyone have experience with the M4 & RS3?

Never_Enough · 05-17-2018, 02:32 PM

Also, which BMW dealers normally offer the best M3 & M4 lease deals?

jmg · 05-17-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

Also, which BMW dealers normally offer the best M3 & M4 lease deals?

What a strange question. Have you ever purchased a new car before? I find that talking to the fleet manager or the internet sales manager yields the best results, but all you really have to do is let them compete for you: shop around. Let them know that another dealer is offering X off MSRP etc.

Never_Enough · 05-17-2018, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

Also, which BMW dealers normally offer the best M3 & M4 lease deals?

What a strange question. Have you ever purchased a new car before? I find that talking to the fleet manager or the internet sales manager yields the best results, but all you really have to do is let them compete for you: shop around. Let them know that another dealer is offering X off MSRP etc.

not strange at all. There's always high volume dealers that give better prices than others on a variety of cars.

jmg · 05-17-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

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Originally Posted by jmg

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

Also, which BMW dealers normally offer the best M3 & M4 lease deals?

What a strange question. Have you ever purchased a new car before? I find that talking to the fleet manager or the internet sales manager yields the best results, but all you really have to do is let them compete for you: shop around. Let them know that another dealer is offering X off MSRP etc.

not strange at all. There's always high volume dealers that give better prices than others on a variety of cars.

It's strange to ask here. Check your regional forum.

Never_Enough · 05-17-2018, 05:53 PM

these prices seem high to me

Clark_Kent · 05-17-2018, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

these prices seem high to me

I'm not trying to be rude but there is a treasure trove of information in this thread that you can use as a measuring stick for pricing. If you review the last 10-15 pages you should be able to ascertain, in short order, whether or not the pricing they offered you is fine. Once you negotiate pricing some folks can chime in to provide additional perspective. You'll also need to provide all details of the deal...lease or finance, trade-in, cash down, etc.

Never_Enough · 05-17-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

these prices seem high to me

I'm not trying to be rude but there is a treasure trove of information in this thread that you can use as a measuring stick for pricing. If you review the last 10-15 pages you should be able to ascertain, in short order, whether or not the pricing they offered you is fine. Once you negotiate pricing some folks can chime in to provide additional perspective. You'll also need to provide all details of the deal...lease or finance, trade-in, cash down, etc.

no, my thread does not contain 10 pages of pricing information and this is an obvious lease.

Clark_Kent · 05-17-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

no, my thread does not contain 10 pages of pricing information and this is an obvious lease.

You're absolutely right. My apologies. Had too many windows open and thought this was the Official 2018 M3/4 Pricing Thread (Deals/Quotes/Questions). The below thread will give you everything you need. It would also be helpful to post up in there as it likely will get more traffic than your thread. What's working against you at the moment is the scarcity of allocations. That tends to make it challenging, not impossible, to get an amazing deal.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1349306

fusionchicken · 05-17-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Never_Enough

Also, which BMW dealers normally offer the best M3 & M4 lease deals?

Just in case you weren't aware there are also lease takeovers in the for sale section on this forum, or on sites like http://www.swapalease.com/, I've seen some screaming deals on those, and you won't be stuck with the car for a more typical lease term of a few years

Ian1973 · 05-18-2018, 07:39 PM

Stand up, leave your house, go talk to people at the dealerships. Sitting in your house playing on the internet, communicating in writing is not showing them you are serious. You are just a lazy tire kicker to them. Why would they waste their time talking with you when you don't invest any real time to the process? The internet has ruined us.

And I believe leasing is set by BMW, not the dealership. The only difference a dealership makes is how much they are discounting it. Don't expect much, like 4-5% off sticker.

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fusionchicken Captain 161 Rep 763 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, Z4M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: socal iTrader: (0)	I have a C6Z now and get to drive the M3/M4 often If you're not concerned about absolute performance i.e. how fast the car can actually run in the 1/4 mile, seat of the pants wise under 120mph the M3/M4 honestly feels just as quick as the LS7, especially when the boost comes on. The LS7 feel much more linear than the S55. I freaking love doing pulls in 2nd and 3rd gears in the M3/M4 because the car feels so quick when the turbos hit full boost. IMO the M3/M4 "felt" faster than the F10 M5 (under 120mph) I drove as well, because the M5 is so much heavier. IMO an E85 JB4 M3/M4 should be a complete riot for street use and occasional canyon carving, the LS7 really only comes fully alive past 4500rpm IMO, despite its good low end torque as well Of course all our butt dynos are calibrated differently so go drive one yourself and make your own decision You can find a local Carmax to drive an M3/M4 easily as they usually have a few sitting around. I don't think you'll be disappointed!
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Ian1973 Colonel 736 Rep 2,134 Posts Drives: 15 M3 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Charlton, NY iTrader: (0)	Stand up, leave your house, go talk to people at the dealerships. Sitting in your house playing on the internet, communicating in writing is not showing them you are serious. You are just a lazy tire kicker to them. Why would they waste their time talking with you when you don't invest any real time to the process? The internet has ruined us. And I believe leasing is set by BMW, not the dealership. The only difference a dealership makes is how much they are discounting it. Don't expect much, like 4-5% off sticker.
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