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View Poll Results: Preferred Track Setting? DSC, MDM or OFF?
DSC - Full On 3 2.52%
MDM 43 36.13%
DSC Fully Off 73 61.34%
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      08-17-2017, 08:55 PM   #1
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Preferred track setting - DSC, MDM or OFF?

So - what is your preferred track setting? Full DSC, MDM or DSC fully off?
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      08-17-2017, 10:26 PM   #2
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Fully off. It is the only way to fully appreciate the wonderful F8X chassis and pull of the S55.
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I'm doing baby steps and working toward fully off. First few times I've tracked, I had full traction control on, I then progressed to U.S MDM; which in my opinion is still very intrusive and cuts too much power with any sign of tire slippage. I just coded my car to Euro MDM and am looking forward to driving this set up on the track. Based on my initial impressions, Euro MDM allows more tire slippage and will hopefully allow me to carry more speed coming out corners. Final step is fully off but I must admit, this car is a lot of car for me so it's going to be a while until I have the balls to go fully off. And I very much agree with CanautM3 said. I've had a blast at the track and I still have not realized the full potential of these vehicles and what they are capable of.
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      08-17-2017, 11:01 PM   #4
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Fully off. It is the only way to fully appreciate the wonderful F8X chassis and pull of the S55.
I have to say - my last track session was with DSC fully off - and holy cow - the power of the S55 is undoubtedly greater even compared with MDM!!!

Now - I just need to make sure and learn not to lift-oversteer if the car starts to drift!!
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      08-17-2017, 11:43 PM   #5
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Like most adrenaline sports, it's best to advance progressively. First time on track DSC ON, after you're more comfortable move on to MDM. Once you're feeling froggy, jump to DSC off.
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I started with MDM and now for the last few times I went with DSC off. I must say my times are worse than with mdm but this way the experience feels more raw and fun. I will try to gradually speed up.
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Fully off, so you don't learn bad habits from relying on the DSC.
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      08-19-2017, 02:47 PM   #8
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Fully off, so you don't learn bad habits from relying on the DSC.
I think DSC OFF is the way to go - I'd rather get slower times for awhile "doing it right" versus faster speeds and developing bad habits.

If one learns proper car dynamics and driving technique with DSC fully off - the F80 is undoubtedly faster with DSC fully off v. MDM...
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MDM for first lap or so, then everything off. I do use MDM in the rain though.
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Fully off. Work your way up to car's limit. Never go full ham on first lap or first session.
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      09-02-2017, 10:52 AM   #12
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My first ever track day I thought back to what I know about cars, and that all came from Top Gear. So I threw all that "electronic stuff that makes the car less fun" off like JC would do and I went at it. Had a good spin but I learned ALOT about how the car handles and where the limits of the tires are.

My next track day was at a place that wasn't as forgiving with spin outs so I used MDM and I could feel the difference. It comes down to the style of the track and the amount of comfort you have with the car, but I would suggest that you try out all the modes at least once or so.
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Fully off. MDM absolutely kills your power tracking out of corners.
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With the throttle on Sport Plus, the power is not linear very hard to come with the power early!

Throttle in Sport is so linear and predictable, you don't need MDM!
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If you are on the track...always fully off. The only reasoning to keep traction control on is if it's raining or maybe during warmup?

Kinda defeats the purpose of tracking.
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If you are on the track...always fully off. The only reasoning to keep traction control on is if it's raining or maybe during warmup?

Kinda defeats the purpose of tracking.
Or if you are a novice driver who doesn't want to increase the risk of wrecking their car?
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If you are on the track...always fully off. The only reasoning to keep traction control on is if it's raining or maybe during warmup?

Kinda defeats the purpose of tracking.
Or if you are a novice driver who doesn't want to increase the risk of wrecking their car?
If you are new to tracking, a good club would put you in a beginners group with instruction. The nannies will give you a false sense of security and will make it difficult to learn and progress.

I use MDM on the first couple laps of the first session on a new track, otherwise it's off, unless it's raining. I think it's important to know the limits, never go 10/10s and have fun!
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With the throttle on Sport Plus, the power is not linear very hard to come with the power early!

Throttle in Sport is so linear and predictable, you don't need MDM!
I think it is a question of perception. I actually prefer the Sport+ engine setting for the track. I find it more direct, immediate and precise which allows me to better control the attitude of the car, whereas Sport has some artificial dampening in the response.

IMO, the Sport+ engine setting can only be truly enjoyed with DSC completely off.
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If you are new to tracking, a good club would put you in a beginners group with instruction. The nannies will give you a false sense of security and will make it difficult to learn and progress.
Yes, completely agree with both statements. Any reputable club will have an instructor in the car with you if you are a beginner. If they don't offer that, then you probably need to find a new club to drive with.

Second, you do NOT want to learn bad habits at the track with DSC on. It will bite you in the ass when you finally switch to DSC off.
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Yes, completely agree with both statements. Any reputable club will have an instructor in the car with you if you are a beginner. If they don't offer that, then you probably need to find a new club to drive with.

Second, you do NOT want to learn bad habits at the track with DSC on. It will bite you in the ass when you finally switch to DSC off.
As an instructor myself, I will definitely not accept a complete newbe turning DSC off with me in the car. Only once a driver is able drive around the track with relative constancy (line, speed and car control) and judgment, will I accept he turns off the aids if he so wishes.

I do however agree that progressing for too long with driving aids enabled can result in bad habits being developed. I have witnessed too many solo drivers that have become decently fast while relying on the aids and get into the wall once they turned them off.
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If you are new to tracking, a good club would put you in a beginners group with instruction. The nannies will give you a false sense of security and will make it difficult to learn and progress.

I use MDM on the first couple laps of the first session on a new track, otherwise it's off, unless it's raining. I think it's important to know the limits, never go 10/10s and have fun!
Never going 10/10ths, and not using data to benchmark will also make it difficult to learn and progress

And, if we are being honest, starting to track in a powerful car like f80 makes the learning curve steeper
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