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      02-14-2019, 12:41 AM   #1
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How will the F8x M3/M4 be remembered?

Now that the platform is in the sunset period, how do you guys think the F8x Ms will be remembered from a historical perspective?

It looks like many publications / outlets are already trying to set up a narrative where this generation of a M cars was a huge disappointment. Which is funny since the M3/4 essentially beat every car in its class that was thrown its way (save for MAYBE the Giulia towards the end).
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Now that the platform is in the sunset period, how do you guys think the F8x Ms will be remembered from a historical perspective?
As the most hated M3 on the Internet due to Youtube commenters and forum members shitting on the sound of the S55.

Don't care personally as I love driving the car.
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      02-14-2019, 03:34 AM   #3
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      02-14-2019, 05:31 AM   #5
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I think overall sentiment or public opinion will change over time towards positive. They really are amazing cars.

I think the move to G series will look more sedate (mini M5) and leave that little bit of the boy racer look. Analog gauges are gone (little touch of a manufactured good, not a screen). RWD only is gone. New interior is beautiful, but I personally prefer the simple F series. I think the move to AWD is great and the cars will be really fun, but I also think it'll dilute the overall driving experience.
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Back when the e46 M3 came out, everyone was saying the same thing about the S54 exhaust note. Compared to its competition, the exhaust tone was an acquired taste, but everyone generally liked the car.

15 years later, the same opinions are coming at the current M3/4, and the same people (including me) who didn't like the S54 sound 10 years ago are now praising it.

In the era of hybridization and electrification, I can almost guarantee 10-15 years from now the S55 exhaust note will sound better than the sound of the wind with a hint of high pitched electric whine, not unlike an overworked alternator. The S55 is such a huge jump in performance compared to the previous V8, and while down on character, the performance isn't even close. It's really next level.

In my opinion, it's even more of a spiritual successor to the MkIV Supra than the MkV Supra is.
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It seems to always be this way - the "new" M3 is ragged on for one reason or another, but over time, perception of the model is more and more positive. I'm not worried about the perception of the F8x in 10 or so years. It's a wonderful car to drive and will remain that way.
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From what i saw in my lifetime Ms were pretty lame versus the competition. The f80 is the leader in class. Its the first M that's truly potent. I feel like people dont like it. It will change bc results are results. Also the first turbo charged M. I think its gonna do great.
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The F10 M5 was released in 2012 and was a bi-turbo V8. It was the first turbo M car.



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The M4 is a sexy looking M car but because of its unreasonably terrible exhaust sound, history will not be kind to it.

The fact that you can now get a used one for the same price as a loaded Honda Accord says a lot about its legacy; it will go down as any other BMW.

I respect your point, but white on beige interior on an early model year of a german sports sedan with that many miles really isn't a shining example of what someone buying this car would want. Nobody bought a German car for its resale value. I'm surprised it's priced that high tbh.

I can cherry pick an example of any make and model with reasonable production volume besides a Ferrari and give the same result, but nobody here would be interested in that
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The M4 is a sexy looking M car but because of its unreasonably terrible exhaust sound, history will not be kind to it.

The fact that you can now get a used one for the same price as a loaded Honda Accord says a lot about its legacy; it will go down as any other BMW.

I respect your point, but white on beige interior on an early model year of a german sports sedan with that many miles really isn't a shining example of what someone buying this car would want. Nobody bought a German car for its resale value. I'm surprised it's priced that high tbh.

I can cherry pick an example of any make and model with reasonable production volume besides a Ferrari and give the same result, but nobody here would be interested in that
Don't take my word for it, go to any car dealer website, take your pick and do a search and you'll find hundreds even thousands that hover around the mid-30k price tag, retail.

Value aside, It's a great contemporary vehicle but nothing that will make it memorable.

That goes for any BMW expect maybe a Z8 or 1M due to supply and demand. Not just cherry-picking on the M4.
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The M4 is a sexy looking M car but because of its unreasonably terrible exhaust sound, history will not be kind to it.

The fact that you can now get a used one for the same price as a loaded Honda Accord says a lot about its legacy; it will go down as any other BMW.

Does anyone think that with the improvement of the exhaust sound in the competition pack that the complaints levied against it won't really be as relevant? I can't see people complaining about much else. iI looks, sounds and feels phenomenal to me.
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the F8x will not be the most unloved M3 because the E36 has that title on lock.

I'll remember this generation as the most badass-looking and performing M3 in history. For one generation, BMW shed the finesse, and built the closest thing to a muscle car that the M3 has ever been. It also marked the democratization of horsepower, with turbocharging making insane power levels cheap and easy to attain.

On the flip side, this was the most disconnected, least fun to drive M3 for me when it was first introduced. ZCP, GTS and CS fixed a lot of those issues, but it's not the best M3 to actually drive. Yes, the sound sucks. But most unforgivably, BMW decided to abandon their most iconic "M3" name to call the two-door car the "M4".

I think as time goes by, the F8x will age well - still look like a beast, and has the best chance of maintaining a performance level that still hangs with future cars (especially with mods). So it will be pretty desirable to future generations of car enthusiasts.
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The M4 is a sexy looking M car but because of its unreasonably terrible exhaust sound, history will not be kind to it.

The fact that you can now get a used one for the same price as a loaded Honda Accord says a lot about its legacy; it will go down as any other BMW.

Does anyone think that with the improvement of the exhaust sound in the competition pack that the complaints levied against it won't really be as relevant? I can't see people complaining about much else. iI looks, sounds and feels phenomenal to me.
I guess that exhaust sound is a matter of opinion and like it said, it is a handsome vehicle, no dispute there.

Also, the M4 CS exhaust does sound better for some reason. Too bad it didn't trickle down to the other variants.

For reference, the E92 M3 (my favorite) was a special vehicle also; the last V8 NA M car and everyone predicted that it would be a natural classic, however, it's just a blip in history now.

That's just how the game goes. Nothing personal.
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Don't take my word for it, go to any car dealer website, take your pick and do a search and you'll find hundreds even thousands that hover around the mid-35k price tag, retail.

Value aside, It's a great contemporary vehicle but nothing that will make it memorable.

That goes for any BMW expect maybe a Z8 or 1M due to supply and demand. Not just cherry-picking on the M4.
It's not about taking your word for anything, I believe you. My point was that in your first post you linked the M3/4's legacy to the resale values right now, which, honestly I don't see anything that out of the ordinary here. Nothing becomes a future classic in 5 years, and with that many miles, it's pretty much in line with other high end car depreciation, past and present. The only cars I've owned where I've been impressed with the resale values have been my WRX and my gen 2 Tundra. But they're both Japanese cars, again, nothing that out of the ordinary.

I just think it's a stretch to think that the exhaust sound is biggest contributing factor to the legacy and depreciation. Not defending it either, don't know how BMW managed to ruin an I-6 TT exhaust note, but many people have warmed up to it, including me. Took me 10 years to appreciate the e46's tone, and now I love it with the right exhaust system.

Appreciate your response though, thoughtful discussion
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The F10 M5 was released in 2012 and was a bi-turbo V8. It was the first turbo M car.



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The M4 is a sexy looking M car but because of its unreasonably terrible exhaust sound, history will not be kind to it.

The fact that you can now get a used one for the same price as a loaded Honda Accord says a lot about its legacy; it will go down as any other BMW.
tthis is a dramatization for a car with 70k miles. A good m car with low miles and the right options is 48-65k
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The M4 is a sexy looking M car but because of its unreasonably terrible exhaust sound, history will not be kind to it.

The fact that you can now get a used one for the same price as a loaded Honda Accord says a lot about its legacy; it will go down as any other BMW.
tthis is a dramatization for a car with 70k miles. A good m car with low miles and the right options is 48-65k
I found about 50 more under for 40k retail with less than 30k miles, if you need more convincing. Let me know.
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This feels like an obituary........
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The F80 sounds a thousand times better than the E46 and is a complete beast to drive. Yes there are some negative or mediocre reviews, but there are plenty of positive reviews as well. With the addition of the M2 Comp which uses the same engine and suspension pieces (and critics love), it is hard to say exactly where the F80 will fall in the internet and YouTube lore of the future. That said it is a fantastic car that despite the critics of the social media age (which previous generations didnt have to deal with), it should be respected and will be hard to follow.
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In the era of hybridization and electrification, I can almost guarantee 10-15 years from now the S55 exhaust note will sound better than the sound of the wind with a hint of high pitched electric whine, not unlike an overworked alternator. The S55 is such a huge jump in performance compared to the previous V8, and while down on character, the performance isn't even close. It's really next level.

In my opinion, it's even more of a spiritual successor to the MkIV Supra than the MkV Supra is.
Couldn't agree more on the Supra sentiment.

The current F8X is so reminiscent of the 90's Japanese "supercars". Inline 6 TT, high power RWD, aggressive looks. BUT it adds everything you wanted back then like a nicer interior, carbon roof (), Brembo's, comparatively great suspension, rear LSD, etc.

I think everyone is jaded nowadays with just how good modern automobiles really are.
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