Possible long term issues?

[zatbmw]

I have one year left on my 2015 m4 lease and am contemplating purchasing (financing) the car when the lease is up. I have 15k miles per year on the lease, and the car will be right around the 45k mile mark by February 2018 when the lease is up.

My residual will be $44k.

I previously had an e92 m3 but ended up trading it in partly due to the whole rod bearing failure issue that some e92s were experiencing....got a little paranoid about a possible failure down the line.

This is my first turbo car, and so far the car has been pretty much issue-free aside from a programming issue with the A/C.

Are turbo engines more prone to breakdown/repair issues once at higher mileage?

I know that a lot of forum members recommend not keeping an M car out of warranty.....so basically, being how this engine is turbo is it even riskier to keep it out of warranty?

Are turbo engines more or less reliable in long term usage (past 100k miles) compared to a n/a engine?

Thanks guys.

[evoix]

My old 335 was perfect for 5 or 6 years and then one day shit hit the fan. IN one week i had a bad injector, brake module went, and a lot of misfires which is typical of turbo cars.

The car only had an intake. Turbo cars are very sensitive and require more attention to most NA cars. Bmw by itself expensive to maintain and adding turbos made it twice as difficult to maintain. Turbo seals leak, turbos blow, clutches wear out so just be ready to pay a lot in repairs.

When bmw's are new they drive great and its all fun and games but when things break they are a nightmare. I wouldnt buy this car imo. SOme people will get lucky and not have as many problems but down the road but if your tight with money i wouldnt take that chance. Just remember that motor is 30K+ and when the warranty is up, you are responsible for full cost.

[apexit]

My biggest concern is the crank hub issue that we still aren't sure what causes it and DCT issues. It's inherently clunky sometimes so it doesn't inspire confidence.

[FC]

I am planning on picking up an F80 next year and hope to keep it for a long time. Somehow a long time ends up being somewhere between 3 and 6 years, but presumably it could be longer.

I'd never want to own a DCT out of warranty. Luckily I plan on ordering a manual. As for the engine, I'm optimistic given that it seems to have done pretty thusfar. I won't put a ton of miles on the car (5-6k/year), so hopefully I won't see serious issues for many years. But yeah, a catastrophic engine failure is really scary.

The interesting thing is that there was a similar vibe with the E9X M3, yet those are still worth quite a bit with no warranty.

[rfeener86]

I'm picking an F80 (manual) up in Munich in April. I plan on maintaining and keeping this car for as long as I can. Bad move? I don't think so. I think proper maintenance is key.

[iamwingman]

I've got 37000 miles on my 15,f82. Solid as a rock. I am, however, planning on purchasing the extended warranty. Peace of mind I think will be worth it.

[Ian1973]

I do not believe modern turbo cars are much different than NA cars. I think the problem is you are taking a sample from a forum, who are typically into cars and modding cars. That changes the game. This car will need plugs more often as did my tuned 335i. Too heavily modified and you could run into the crank hub thing. But I think each generation 3 series gets better and better reliability wise.

[R N M]

Get extended warranty if u keep it.

[NewM3driver]

Originally Posted by zatbmw

I have one year left on my 2015 m4 lease and am contemplating purchasing (financing) the car when the lease is up. I have 15k miles per year on the lease, and the car will be right around the 45k mile mark by February 2018 when the lease is up.

My residual will be $44k.

I previously had an e92 m3 but ended up trading it in partly due to the whole rod bearing failure issue that some e92s were experiencing....got a little paranoid about a possible failure down the line.

This is my first turbo car, and so far the car has been pretty much issue-free aside from a programming issue with the A/C.

Are turbo engines more prone to breakdown/repair issues once at higher mileage?

I know that a lot of forum members recommend not keeping an M car out of warranty.....so basically, being how this engine is turbo is it even riskier to keep it out of warranty?

Are turbo engines more or less reliable in long term usage (past 100k miles) compared to a n/a engine?

Thanks guys.

So at 44k with tires and service you will be spending 50k to drive your used car another 4 years. At that time you will own an M car with over 100,000 miles, AND, you would have paid more than $1000 a month for the privilege. Think about it. What is a 7 year old 100,000+ mile last body style M4 worth? Sadly, not much.

Why not negotiate a sweet (remember the M is past mid life cycle) lease deal in the 700 to 800 per month range. Get a fresh car, fresh color, fresh paint and fresh 50,000 warranty.

I'm giving you some VERY good advice...

[Nothing]

Originally Posted by rfeener86

I'm picking an F80 (manual) up in Munich in April. I plan on maintaining and keeping this car for as long as I can. Bad move? I don't think so. I think proper maintenance is key.

I did the same thing and I plan on keeping this car for a long time. I think proper maintenance is part of what will help this car last as long as possible. I admit I want to purchase the extended warranty before the standard warranty expires just to make sure that some things get handled by the dealer.

More people seem to be worried about DCT cars more than manuals, I'm not sure why.

[rmizzle101]

I think if you have the financial means to hop into a new '17 lease, do it. If you don't want to dish out the cash and you have properly maintained your M, keep it.

Sure, things CAN go wrong....but that's what the extended warranty is for. These are cars and with driving cars like these, you carry a liability.

[M3VSRCF]

Originally Posted by NewM3driver

So at 44k with tires and service you will be spending 50k to drive your used car another 4 years. At that time you will own an M car with over 100,000 miles, AND, you would have paid more than $1000 a month for the privilege. Think about it. What is a 7 year old 100,000+ mile last body style M4 worth? Sadly, not much.

Why not negotiate a sweet (remember the M is past mid life cycle) lease deal in the 700 to 800 per month range. Get a fresh car, fresh color, fresh paint and fresh 50,000 warranty.

I'm giving you some VERY good advice...

Great advice indeed, I agree with you completely.
Plus is the first year of a new model, so still possible to have bunch of
issues that tend to be fixed in later years.

[NewM3driver]

Originally Posted by M3VSRCF

Great advice indeed, I agree with you completely.
Plus is the first year of a new model, so still possible to have bunch of
issues that tend to be fixed in later years.

I had a 2016 M3.... upgraded to a 2017 ZCP. Difference in the cars is amazing

[KevinM]

I think the engine is probably OK - may need some walnut shell blasting given it is direct-injection, but otherwise should be solid. What worries me about keeping almost any new car long-term is the complicated electronics. These cars are rolling computers, and I replace my computer every three years...

It makes me a bit sad, but my E39 M5 and Z4M coupe may be the last BMWs that I keep long-term (although I might buy other older BMWs when they stop offering a manual transmission!).

[jaybird124]

Originally Posted by KevinM

I think the engine is probably OK - may need some walnut shell blasting given it is direct-injection, but otherwise should be solid. What worries me about keeping almost any new car long-term is the complicated electronics. These cars are rolling computers, and I replace my computer every three years...

It makes me a bit sad, but my E39 M5 and Z4M coupe may be the last BMWs that I keep long-term (although I might buy other older BMWs when they stop offering a manual transmission!).

I agree 100%. It's about the only thing that gives me pause.

[katit]

Originally Posted by KevinM

I think the engine is probably OK - may need some walnut shell blasting given it is direct-injection, but otherwise should be solid. What worries me about keeping almost any new car long-term is the complicated electronics. These cars are rolling computers, and I replace my computer every three years...

It makes me a bit sad, but my E39 M5 and Z4M coupe may be the last BMWs that I keep long-term (although I might buy other older BMWs when they stop offering a manual transmission!).

E39 M5 is a computer too. But you feel relaxed because now we have 20 years of experience with platform. But back then in 1996 people thought same thing about cars not being repairable.

F80 shares same electronics with other 3 series. I think all the common glitches will be known

[mercedesc63]

Originally Posted by zatbmw

I have one year left on my 2015 m4 lease and am contemplating purchasing (financing) the car when the lease is up. I have 15k miles per year on the lease, and the car will be right around the 45k mile mark by February 2018 when the lease is up.

My residual will be $44k.

I previously had an e92 m3 but ended up trading it in partly due to the whole rod bearing failure issue that some e92s were experiencing....got a little paranoid about a possible failure down the line.

This is my first turbo car, and so far the car has been pretty much issue-free aside from a programming issue with the A/C.

Are turbo engines more prone to breakdown/repair issues once at higher mileage?

I know that a lot of forum members recommend not keeping an M car out of warranty.....so basically, being how this engine is turbo is it even riskier to keep it out of warranty?

Are turbo engines more or less reliable in long term usage (past 100k miles) compared to a n/a engine?

Thanks guys.

Turn your car in/ trade it in early to a dealership and if you want to buy a car get a 17 or 18.

It's never smart to buy a lease out at the end especially since the total of all your payments don't add up to your end residual.

44k is no steal for 15.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by ramzinajdawi

I think if you have the financial means to hop into a new '17 lease, do it. If you don't want to dish out the cash and you have properly maintained your M, keep it.

Sure, things CAN go wrong....but that's what the extended warranty is for. These are cars and with driving cars like these, you carry a liability.

but the car will easily be worth AT LEAST 20 if not 30k when he sells it... never own it with a lease

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by katit

E39 M5 is a computer too. But you feel relaxed because now we have 20 years of experience with platform. But back then in 1996 people thought same thing about cars not being repairable.

F80 shares same electronics with other 3 series. I think all the common glitches will be known

I see your point. To me, however, the F80 is in another world compared to my E39 in regards to electronics and what they control. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the features, many of which I haven't even discovered yet. If the iDrive goes south after 10 years, I'm not sure the car would be drivable. In my E39, I don't even use the center screen for anything. I use my phone for nav and music (via an aux jack I installed) and all other necessary functions are controlled with buttons.

All that said, I didn't mean to come off as a fear-mongerer. I mean someone is going to be driving these cars in 10-15 years, whether it be the original owner or the 6th owner. It just likely won't be me...

[katit]

Originally Posted by KevinM

I see your point. To me, however, the F80 is in another world compared to my E39 in regards to electronics and what they control. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the features, many of which I haven't even discovered yet. If the iDrive goes south after 10 years, I'm not sure the car would be drivable. In my E39, I don't even use the center screen for anything. I use my phone for nav and music (via an aux jack I installed) and all other necessary functions are controlled with buttons.

All that said, I didn't mean to come off as a fear-mongerer. I mean someone is going to be driving these cars in 10-15 years, whether it be the original owner or the 6th owner. It just likely won't be me...

I don't think I will keep car past warranty either, but not because of fear. I think in 6 years there going to be something else. I'm sure iDrive will work just fine. Aftermarket will catch up with extras and upgrades to dated systems. My plan is 6 years.

[gatorfast]

If you love your car buy it out. Can always (and probably should) add an extended warranty to cover you.

You have already taken the biggest depreciation hit which is the first 3 years.

[MFNATIK]

Seeing that it's a first model year car, I wouldn't want to buy it out. Get into an new 2018 with all the updates + ZCP and you'll be much happier IMO.