Is anybody here considering the '15 AMG C-63 ?

[amanuuh]

i don't think the car looks good with silver wheels. it needs black wheels. after market is the way to go. ill be changing mine ASAP

[ixse]

I personally like their 18"s lol.. Only wish they made em in 19s.. Just like how i like M3 18s better than 19s.. Least the design of it.

[NorCal f80]

One thing I will agree with my AMG friend with ----- our steering wheel is hideous compared to theirs.

[Vectors2final]

Originally Posted by ixse

I personally like their 18"s lol.. Only wish they made em in 19s.. Just like how i like M3 18s better than 19s.. Least the design of it.

I'm an 18's guy, which is why I ordered them.


I thought about going with these 19s...

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=27


They kinda look like the OEM 18s and weigh a tad less than the OEM 19s... I still want CCWs, but these are catching my attention.

[Murph335]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I echo these thoughts minus having owned a prior gen C63. I'll test drive it but the lack of rear fender flares and the trans are big deterrents.

Glorious v8 and the spool of turbos will be heaven!
Your absolutely correct why the HELL would they forget to flair the fenders. Same goes to cadi ctsv. Wtf automakers??!!!

Exhaust And engine sound really goes a long way daily driving and commuting.

V8tt plus f80 would be perfect! Or wait how much? I know ill see that german tuner do it eventually!

[amanuuh]

The m178 motor seems to be extremely under rated. Since it's basically the same motor as the m177 in the c63s. The S will most likely have 472 whp.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

The m178 motor seems to be extremely under rated. Since it's basically the same motor as the m177 in the c63s. The S will most likely have 472 whp.

What numbers are M177s putting down?

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by dmk08

What numbers are M177s putting down?

The C63S isn't out yet. It won't be out till next month. The GTS however released. Renntech got their car already. They put it on the dyno.

Stock HP came out to 472.7 WHP.

With the 15 percent drive train loss thats about 555HP to the crank. Same engine except GTS has dry sump and C63S has wet sump. Should be similar numbers.

[ixse]

Unbelievable.. So crazy.. Even on conservative tune only, it would push 600/600 at crank... Madness..

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

The C63S isn't out yet. It won't be out till next month. The GTS however released. Renntech got their car already. They put it on the dyno.

Stock HP came out to 472.7 WHP.

With the 15 percent drive train loss thats about 555HP to the crank. Same engine except GTS has dry sump and C63S has wet sump. Should be similar numbers.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

The C63S isn't out yet. It won't be out till next month. The GTS however released. Renntech got their car already. They put it on the dyno.

Stock HP came out to 472.7 WHP.

With the 15 percent drive train loss thats about 555HP to the crank. Same engine except GTS has dry sump and C63S has wet sump. Should be similar numbers.

All things considered, is that really impressive? Car has an extra 2 cylinders and an extra liter of displacement... net gain of 40 - 45 whp at a penalty of 200 lbs and a worse transmission? I mean they r good numbers but comparatively, not exactly anything special... We have already seen the M4 dyno at 550 whp... I hope this car is well over 600 whp with the engine advantage it holds.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

All things considered, is that really impressive? Car has an extra 2 cylinders and an extra liter of displacement... net gain of 40 - 45 whp at a penalty of 200 lbs and a worse transmission? I mean they r good numbers but comparatively, not exactly anything special... We have already seen the M4 dyno at 550 whp... I hope this car is well over 600 whp with the engine advantage it holds.

Is that really impressive!? :

Maybe not for a BMW fanboy!

[ixse]

Originally Posted by ASAP

All things considered, is that really impressive? Car has an extra 2 cylinders and an extra liter of displacement... net gain of 40 - 45 whp at a penalty of 200 lbs and a worse transmission? I mean they r good numbers but comparatively, not exactly anything special... We have already seen the M4 dyno at 550 whp... I hope this car is well over 600 whp with the engine advantage it holds.

Yea the engine w extra liter n 2 cylinders also get better mpg. 550whp m4 is on dp, e85/race gas type fuel w tune. Current gt-s w only tune on 93oct is pushing lil over 600 whp. So yes it has MUCH better engine then M does.

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Is that really impressive!? :

Maybe not for a BMW fanboy!

your comments have me dying sometimes

A fanboy won't think its impressive youre right.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ixse

Yea the engine w extra liter n 2 cylinders also get better mpg. 550whp m4 is on dp, e85/race gas type fuel w tune. Current gt-s w only tune on 93oct is pushing lil over 600 whp. So yes it has MUCH better engine then M does.

Originally Posted by amanuuh

your comments have me dying sometimes

A fanboy won't think its impressive youre right.

Well then I will look forward to this motor making 650 WHP+ with race gas and all bolt ons... If Benz held this motor back 180 WHP, then I'll be very impressed...

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Well then I will look forward to this motor making 650 WHP+ with race gas and all bolt ons... If Benz held this motor back 180 WHP, then I'll be very impressed...

They didn't hold the motor back its just detuned . It will be just like the 6.3 L V8 and be used in multiple AMG models in various states of tunes with minimal hardware differences .In a Chris Harris interview the lead engineer confirmed it will be used in a new halo car at a higher power level than the GTS . It's a fantastic motor , being able to handle 130 bar cylinder pressure for instance ( diesel levels) , dry sump in the GT , hot V configuration , and a 4 liter displacement . It will kill the S55 in peak power bc of the displacement even if they are equally as advanced motors . I have yet to see 1 trap speed that indicated an S55 making 550 whp by the way ) From initial reviews the 4.0 V8 is a beast and we will find out what it can do tuned soon enough . Doesn't take Nostradamus to predict it will come out on top though turbo V8 4.0 , vs turbo I6 3.0 is no contest . No replacement for displacement . Nothing to get bent out of shape over .

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

They didn't hold the motor back its just detuned . It will be just like the 6.3 L V8 and be used in multiple AMG models in various states of tunes with minimal hardware differences .In a Chris Harris interview the lead engineer confirmed it will be used in a new halo car at a higher power level than the GTS . It's a fantastic motor , being able to handle 130 bar cylinder pressure for instance ( diesel levels) , dry sump in the GT , hot V configuration , and a 4 liter displacement . It will kill the S55 in peak power bc of the displacement even if they are equally as advanced motors . I have yet to see 1 trap speed that indicated an S55 making 550 whp by the way ) From initial reviews the 4.0 V8 is a beast and we will find out what it can do tuned soon enough . Doesn't take Nostradamus to predict it will come out on top though turbo V8 4.0 , vs turbo I6 3.0 is no contest . No replacement for displacement . Nothing to get bent out of shape over .

I am not going to argue the merits of a V8, they are rather obvious. I happen to know that you and your fellows here are quick to hate on the S55 and take away from its merits. Among these are a higher redline and the fact that for a 6 cylinder motor, it is incredible. 540-550 WHP on a 3.0L I6 motor is an outstanding number... its obvious the V8 will make more power, the question is will it make proportionally more power than an s55 to warrant it as impressive for a V8? We'll find that out soon... but let's not forget that a predecessor of the S55 held 800 whp on stock internals, cast pistons / rods and an open deck. That V8 better have a lot in it, to best that...

[ixse]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I am not going to argue the merits of a V8, they are rather obvious. I happen to know that you and your fellows here are quick to hate on the S55 and take away from its merits. Among these are a higher redline and the fact that for a 6 cylinder motor, it is incredible. 540-550 WHP on a 3.0L I6 motor is an outstanding number... its obvious the V8 will make more power, the question is will it make proportionally more power than an s55 to warrant it as impressive for a V8? We'll find that out soon... but let's not forget that a predecessor of the S55 held 800 whp on stock internals, cast pistons / rods and an open deck. That V8 better have a lot in it, to best that...

Im not even sure why you are so bent over at not acknowleding 4.0tt amg motor is just better motor period. Your arguement of proportionality makes absolutly no sense. Did bmw HAVE to make 3.0 I6? Well they thought keeping v8 just wasnt going to be efficient enough. Well guess what, amg were able to make a v8 that can be more efficient then I6, and more power. There isnt one person here that wouldnt be happy if M4 came w v8tt motor from factory w better mpg and more power, and much better sound.
Get over it. M cars have their own merits vs amg. Engine just isnt one of them.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ixse

Im not even sure why you are so bent over at not acknowleding 4.0tt amg motor is just better motor period. Your arguement of proportionality makes absolutly no sense. Did bmw HAVE to make 3.0 I6? Well they thought keeping v8 just wasnt going to be efficient enough. Well guess what, amg were able to make a v8 that can be more efficient then I6, and more power. There isnt one person here that wouldnt be happy if M4 came w v8tt motor from factory w better mpg and more power, and much better sound.
Get over it. M cars have their own merits vs amg. Engine just isnt one of them.

If you believe that, then I have ocean front land to sell you in Montana...

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I am not going to argue the merits of a V8, they are rather obvious. I happen to know that you and your fellows here are quick to hate on the S55 and take away from its merits. Among these are a higher redline and the fact that for a 6 cylinder motor, it is incredible. 540-550 WHP on a 3.0L I6 motor is an outstanding number... its obvious the V8 will make more power, the question is will it make proportionally more power than an s55 to warrant it as impressive for a V8? We'll find that out soon... but let's not forget that a predecessor of the S55 held 800 whp on stock internals, cast pistons / rods and an open deck. That V8 better have a lot in it, to best that...

How is saying x motor has more power potential than y motor putting it down . It's a fact of the situation . The fact is Mercedes is the best engine builder in the world currently ( look at formula one ) , and the M178 is their newest design , intended to take over the very successful M159 in multiple models . It's Already making 127hp/liter in the C63/S and it will come in much higher power specs stock from the factory . ( it already has much more tq than the S55 ) . It's lower redline vs the S55 isn't an issue as the S55 doesn't keep making more power at its higher rpms . In regards to I presume your comparison to the S54, the S55 is no S54 my friend .

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ixse

Im not even sure why you are so bent over at not acknowleding 4.0tt amg motor is just better motor period. Your arguement of proportionality makes absolutly no sense. Did bmw HAVE to make 3.0 I6? Well they thought keeping v8 just wasnt going to be efficient enough. Well guess what, amg were able to make a v8 that can be more efficient then I6, and more power. There isnt one person here that wouldnt be happy if M4 came w v8tt motor from factory w better mpg and more power, and much better sound.
Get over it. M cars have their own merits vs amg. Engine just isnt one of them.

No intention to argue with you since I actually agree with your comment about V8TT, but I think it's their strategy (BMW, MB, Audi,..) to reduce the size of engine yet produce more power and torque if possible. S85 (5 liter V10) to S63 (4.4 liter V8), S65 (4 liter V8) to S55 (3 liter I6)... MB reduced the 6.3 liter to 4 liter. Audi did the same thing. Another part of BMW decision about S55 is cost saving since they had already designed N55, so they followed the same platform ....exactly what they did with N63 to S63 and then to S63tu... even the new X5M/X6M has the same platform but more torque...
Also the question is why they need to design a V8 for M3/M4 to generate more power and torque for a RWD car that already has enough power and torque for its weight? MB put a V8 engine for C63 to generate more power while the car is heavier. Audi may do the same thing for its AWD lineup...

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I am not going to argue the merits of a V8, they are rather obvious. I happen to know that you and your fellows here are quick to hate on the S55 and take away from its merits. Among these are a higher redline and the fact that for a 6 cylinder motor, it is incredible. 540-550 WHP on a 3.0L I6 motor is an outstanding number... its obvious the V8 will make more power, the question is will it make proportionally more power than an s55 to warrant it as impressive for a V8? We'll find that out soon... but let's not forget that a predecessor of the S55 held 800 whp on stock internals, cast pistons / rods and an open deck. That V8 better have a lot in it, to best that...

Higher red line and 550whp don't go too well together when speaking about the S55! We both know that aggressively tuned S55 needs to be shifted at ~6000-6500rpm(since power start to drop at ~5000rpm) to maximise the performance, so how good is a 7600 red line in this case!? I'd be willing to bet that the stock turbos of the M177 wont lose their effiency that low in the RPM!