Is anybody here considering the '15 AMG C-63 ?

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

That C63S as tested at 67k pounds includes the ccb? that would be a bargain.

The numbers he is talking about is the starting price, i'm pretty sure.

No, no. I meant that he was testing the "S" model. I'll fix that mistake. Thanks for catching that.

Anyway, I added this to my initial reply but I'll put this here as well:

The reason I'm so confident with respect to pricing is because I considered an E92 M3 before ultimately choosing my W204.

The E92 had a base price (with DCT) of $63,000. The current W204 C63 coupe (which is still available for sale) has a base price of $63,000.

Whenever I optioned out the cars (I personally was comparing the W204 sedan to the E92), the prices were virtually identical. My W204 ended up being cheaper though. It is virtually "loaded" and came to about $71k.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

No, no. I meant that he was testing the "S" model. I'll fix that mistake. Thanks for catching that.

Anyway, I added this to my initial reply but I'll put this here as well:

The reason I'm so confident with respect to pricing is because I considered an E92 M3 before ultimately choosing my W204.

The E92 had a base price (with DCT) of $63,000. The current W204 C63 coupe (which is still available for sale) has a base price of $63,000.

Whenever I optioned out the cars (I personally was comparing the W204 sedan to the E92), the prices were virtually identical. My W204 ended up being cheaper though. It is virtually "loaded" and came to about $71k.

sorry i edited my response after you quoted it. My point is that the 507 starts at 75k and that was in 2014. At 73k I think that is a reasonable guess at what the C63S will start at. (see my edited previous response)

In response to your comparison, the base C63 starting at 66k is fathomable to me considering that some of the options on the M3 is standard on the C63 (DCT and MCT for example)

[Unkle Steve]

The 2017 E-Class interior made the C look like a total joke, and if you don't have one on order it'll take you approximately 7 months to receive one. Not worth it in my opinion. From what I've seen the C-Coupe will also be more impressive (internally and externally).

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

sorry i edited my response after you quoted it. My point is that the 507 starts at 75k and that was in 2014. At 73k I think that is a reasonable guess at what the C63S will start at. (see my edited previous response)

In response to your comparison, the base C63 starting at 66k is fathomable to me considering that some of the options on the M3 is standard on the C63 (DCT and MCT for example)

No worries. That price for the 507 Edition is for the 507 Coupe. The sedan is less. Furthermore, the 507 Edition was beyond a "Performance Package" (PP) model. It was a special edition of the C63 to commemorate the model's final production run.

The new "S" model is analogous to W204 PP car. I think $66k is about $4k too high for the W205 base model.

Benz knows the C63's fiercest competitor is the M3. They wouldn't make the mistake of pricing it out of the segment. The W204 C63 models were always within a few thousand dollars of their similarly equipped E9X counterparts.

My "ideal" F8X build comes out to $79,225 (Silverstone, Full Leather, Driver Assistance Package, 19" wheels, Lighting Package, Executive Package, Harmon Kardon, DCT).

I'm guessing a C63 S (which comes standard with 19" wheels) build, similarly equipped, would be around the same.

It's fun to speculate but I'm just going to wait for the U.S. pricing to be announced. Production is about to get started so I imagine pricing will be out very soon.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Unkle Steve

The 2017 E-Class interior made the C look like a total joke, and if you don't have one on order it'll take you approximately 7 months to receive one. Not worth it in my opinion. From what I've seen the C-Coupe will also be more impressive (internally and externally).

do you have a link of the 2017 e class interior? thanks.

[JRV]

As much as I like the C63 from what I have seen and read, what makes BMW the better value is the free maintenance for the first 50k already priced in. So since these are luxo mobiles, that's a pretty penny considering that's a good chunk of a cars life.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by JRV

As much as I like the C63 from what I have seen and read, what makes BMW the better value is the free maintenance for the first 50k already priced in. So since these are luxo mobiles, that's a pretty penny considering that's a good chunk of a cars life.

Better wait for official pricing before concluding anything! Here in Canada the base price of the W204 C63 was ~5k less then the base price of the E90 M3, so if it's the same story this time, free maintenance won't really make the M3 a bargain!

[gthal]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

That render was a "mashup" of the old E-Class coupe and new W205 sedan.

The C63 coupe should look more like this:

Well if this is, in fact, what the coupe looks like then it will be on my next car possibility list for sure. It may come down to this or the M4 comp pack. This render is truly beautiful (unlike the sedan which I personally find too round).

[ASAP]

I dont get what it is with the modern design style of coupes with GT rear ends... why not have a slanted profile into trunk a la e92?

[Damasconian]

Ill consider this car when well into my 40's or 50's. Its a more elegant and sophisticated look than the F8X twins. Until then, Ill enjoy a car that fits my lifestyle, looks, and age.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by JRV

As much as I like the C63 from what I have seen and read, what makes BMW the better value is the free maintenance for the first 50k already priced in. So since these are luxo mobiles, that's a pretty penny considering that's a good chunk of a cars life.

well Mercedes sells 4 year 40,000 plans for $2375 (AMG price, all AMGs even if its CLA). Works for those putting 10,000 miles or less on a year, but that also puts Mercedes $2375 behind BMW in price and I doubt the base prices will be that much different (of course options might be different on base as well)

I just can't get over the stick on ipad screen

[Mako]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

do you have a link of the 2017 e class interior? thanks.

supposed to be the same as the S Class, not sure I like it, really long/high dash top

can you tell from my last 2 posts I really don't like Mercedes nav screens! never cared that much for the pop up I had in my C63 but I liked it better than these

[JRV]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Better wait for official pricing before concluding anything! Here in Canada the base price of the W204 C63 was ~5k less then the base price of the E90 M3, so if it's the same story this time, free maintenance won't really make the M3 a bargain!

That's true, I based this when I was comparing back in 2010 with equally optioned c63 and e90 m3. I figured the trend would be similar after options.

[Unkle Steve]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

do you have a link of the 2017 e class interior? thanks.

http://www.carscoops.com/2014/12/sco...lass-gets.html

Np.

[Roadkiller]

Originally Posted by Mako

I just can't get over the stick on ipad screen

[fusionchicken]

After watching all the available reviews I can find, it looks like a test drive of the C63 in manual mode, in anger, is still required. The tranny was by far the biggest let down in the w204, hopefully the new model won't have the same deal breaker for me.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by fusionchicken

After watching all the available reviews I can find, it looks like a test drive of the C63 in manual mode, in anger, is still required. The tranny was by far the biggest let down in the w204, hopefully the new model won't have the same deal breaker for me.

to be fair most or all of the m3 /m4 introduction reviews were all positive.

both cars were introduced at a sponsored event in Portugal. I think the first reviews are pretty hard to go by.

I think the biggest concerns on my list is:

Price (for the C63S)
Actual Weight
Tranny performance
exterior rear looks too round... also track is not widened and skinnier tires - not sure how that will translate to rear handling.

We'll see soon how it fairs on the track- really getting interesting.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Mako

well Mercedes sells 4 year 40,000 plans for $2375 (AMG price, all AMGs even if its CLA). Works for those putting 10,000 miles or less on a year, but that also puts Mercedes $2375 behind BMW in price and I doubt the base prices will be that much different (of course options might be different on base as well)

I just can't get over the stick on ipad screen

On the AMG GT the screen is much more integrated looking... although the borders are still too big... makes the screen look really small when it isn't.



it would have been nice also if the new C had the center console design of the GT. Looks really nice.

[fusionchicken]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

to be fair most or all of the m3 /m4 introduction reviews were all positive.

both cars were introduced at a sponsored event in Portugal. I think the first reviews are pretty hard to go by.

I think the biggest concerns on my list is:

Price (for the C63S)
Actual Weight
Tranny performance
exterior rear looks too round... also track is not widened and skinnier tires - not sure how that will translate to rear handling.

We'll see soon how it fairs on the track- really getting interesting.

+1

Yeah it's just I've heard C63's tranny is "OK" and / or "Acceptable" in more than one review already so it's a bit concerning, considering how good the C63's competitions' trannys are

[myzmak]

Just back from the Calgary Autoshow.

The AMG GT is faaaaahking gorgeous. Serious

The C63....sorry. The rear end still loses. I have the usual assortment of crappy iPhone pics but it just has no presence, which is a shame.

Also, sat in a C400...the interior (which i quite like in pics) was less nice in person (I know, not the same as C63 but...). And the iPad screen doesn't really work.

Anyway, very nice car but aesthetically anyway, having seen both, I just prefer the look of the F80

Edit: Now photos. (which, on my iphone are normal but on my chrome browser are sideways so...whatever. sorry. or something)

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by fusionchicken

+1

Yeah it's just I've heard C63's tranny is "OK" and / or "Acceptable" in more than one review already so it's a bit concerning, considering how good the C63's competitions' trannys are

I completely have the same concern-
for instance on my dct today i downshifted 3 gears- 7th to 4th. I was on the freeway and barely needed 7th (less than 2k rpm), and wanted to pass. it skipped the gears and gave me the one i wanted immediately.

I could not do that on my old c63 (pre-lci) now could i do that with my zf8 speed on the X5 or on any other car with paddle shifters that I have ever had.

Usually the gears shift one by one, a lot slower compared to the DCT. I understand not everyone needs the quick shifts, but I am very happy to have it.

One fault with the DCT is that it is not great in automatic mode compared to the MCT.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Just back from the Calgary Autoshow.

The AMG GT is faaaaahking gorgeous. Serious

The C63....sorry. The rear end still loses. I have the usual assortment of crappy iPhone pics but it just has no presence, which is a shame.

Also, sat in a C400...the interior (which i quite like in pics) was less nice in person (I know, not the same as C63 but...). And the iPad screen doesn't really work.

Anyway, very nice car but aesthetically anyway, having seen both, I just prefer the look of the F80

Edit: Now photos. (which, on my iphone are normal but on my chrome browser are sideways so...whatever. sorry. or something)

nice pics... white my favorite. thanks for this post!

but yeah, the rear needs some lines. I think the front of the car looks amazing (tied with my F80) it is the rear and the rear quarters that I think does not work for my tastes.... A lot of people like the sleeper look more, so it is a question of taste.