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The acceleration of the Model 3 performance is outstanding. Tesla drivetrains are great in that regard. Reliability leaves a lot on the table. Build quality of the overall car is also pretty poor in comparison to BMW.
Buddy of mine had one for awhile and just traded it in last week on an Audi S3. He said the range issues with the M3P and the overall build quality just bothered him after living with it for six months. He never got anywhere close to the advertised range and when it got cold if he drove conservatively he'd get 60-70% of the stated range, getting 40-50% wasn't uncommon. In the summer time it was 10-12% better.
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Being that you're in CA, I could totally understand an EV as a daily. The cost/benefit probably justifies it with such high gasoline costs and the amount of traffic. Every once in a while I toy with the idea of getting a daily EV, but in NC, gas prices are very reasonable and I simply don't drive enough miles in a year to justify the cost. Roads here have been getting more crowded, but it's still NOTHING compared to CA traffic. So for me at least, the only real benefit would be to have a car that's a "beater" and keeps the miles and door dings off the car I actually care about. True story - on busy days, it's not uncommon for me to spend 10 minutes driving around a parking lot waiting for a suitable parking spot to open up ... a spot where it's impossible for some idiot to slam their door into the side of my car. Those are the days where the thought of having a daily toaster appeal to me most.
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Yes the BMW build quality is better. But the Model 3 quality is not that bad. I did have alignment and squeaking issues but that was all minor. I would not let that bother me or make me get rid of the car. The car is fantastic.
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Two friends used to have Model S's, one was a P90D, I know (but am not really friends with, more of acquaintance of) a couple folks with S's and X's as well the drivetrains in all cases are fun due to the instant torque. You say the interior is "not that bad" but that's really a relative statement IMO. The interior is on par with Kia or something like a Malibu in my experience, when talking quality. Both the Camry and especially the current Accord are better (as are all the euro brands at the Tesla's price point). If I had confidence in the build quality and longevity I would make the trade off of a subpar interior for the drivetrain in a Tesla (assuming they fixed their issue). I was cheering on the sidelines for Tesla through the announcement of the model 3. It was then that I got serious about researching the company since I was considering a deposit. Paid more attention when riding in and driving the cars, dug through their 10k's and 10Q's. I decided I would pass. I don't blame you for buying a model3 performance though, it would make a fun daily driver the powertrain is intoxicating.
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Even the Korean cars are getting better in quality and reliability. Might even consider one in the near future. Especially that new GV80 Sub from Genesis. What a beautiful car.
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People think an EV saves money... it only does if you buy an EV that is cheap. If you want anything that has some performance, it isn't worth it from a cost perspective. There are calculators out there that will convert your empg to fuel costs and there are many things to consider when charging. Does your electrical panel support the charger? (Charging off your existing 110V outlet is like filling up your tank using an eye dropper). If it doesn't, you'd need to upgrade your panel to handle the charge rates that EV manufacturers claim.
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My average consumption in my model 3p over 26k miles is 285 wh/mile which translates to about 236 miles charging to 90%, so I’m looking for a charger every 200 mi or so. My usage is 50/50 of bumper to bumper (morning commute) and 65-75mph flowing traffic (evening commute). It’s a similar range as my old 911 turbo which gets 16.7mpg combined. Maybe it’s my own fault due to how my gasser is configured but there is an epic amount of noise in the cabin of my 911, due to the wide cup2 tires and loud exhaust, and the clutch is on the grabby side, with a light flywheel, so it’s a full attention required, physical drive. Great for fun driving, a bit rough for a 30-60min daily commute My f80 was a champ for commuting, with 18s, passive suspension and dct. But the reason I let it go was when I wanted to have fun, it lacked some of the intangibles of the more focused sports cars. Maybe if there was a fixed roof z4 with s55..... As an aside, if the g80 m3 has a level 3 driver assist system that can handle stop and go traffic and curving highways and local roads well, I would be pretty interested, especially if the hov sticker program goes away in a few years. |
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My F80 has the Driver's Assist Plus package. The other day I was driving out of my neighborhood and it started raining. I turned on my wipers, and it beeped loudly and momentarily slammed on the brakes. Guess the system thought it "saw" something dangerous through the camera. Only time it's ever done that, but scared the crap out of me none the less. That's about as autonomous as I'm willing to go.
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