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      12-15-2014, 09:21 AM   #309
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So how do M3/4 drivers out there think about an upcoming Competition Package? I think it can not be retrofitted, right?
likely its just springs. recalibrated shocks. unique wheels. possible a slight power bump via software. almost certainly would be offered by BMW separately for more $$$. and most likely not offered with the F83 anyways so no worries on your end.
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Also, maybe a slightly fruitier exhaust, as per M5/M6 ?.
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likely its just springs. recalibrated shocks. unique wheels. possible a slight power bump via software. almost certainly would be offered by BMW separately for more $$$. and most likely not offered with the F83 anyways so no worries on your end.
Exactly, may even be coupe only. If anything the F83 would get the option of the tune but will probably cost $$$ for what you get
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      12-15-2014, 02:35 PM   #312
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Whatever it is I hope it's fantastic and plentiful upgrades. I'll need another car before the next generation M3 and the better the LCI/Comp. Pack is the better

Though I'm hoping to get into a 991 for my next car. I wanted one since I got my Scalextric version at age 5. I do want a NA flat six larger than 3l though and the 991 might be the last 911 where the base car has a flat six and a NA engine. Next car might be my best and only shot to get a new one, my oldest kid can sit in the front seat by then and my little one behind her in a child seat. Could work
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No one really knows yet. However, if I'm guessing then I think there will be a power bump (+/- 25hp), a slightly lowered suspension, revised MDM programming and new wheels. Similar to the competition package on the E9X but with a factory power tune as it is so easy to do on the F8X. I also wonder whether they would build in more camber range/adjustment than the current car.
Euro spec MDM would be great!
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Euro spec MDM would be great!
Has anyone had this coded on at this point and know if it makes a big difference on this model? IMO MDM isn't any different then full TCS. My car just blinks that shit all the time.
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Has anyone had this coded on at this point and know if it makes a big difference on this model? IMO MDM isn't any different then full TCS. My car just blinks that shit all the time.
Remember reading it somewhere and that the results were satisfactory as compared to the U.S. version that has regulatory guidelines to follow. I've done a search but cannot seem to find it. Be nice if someone that has it can chime in.
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Has anyone had this coded on at this point and know if it makes a big difference on this model? IMO MDM isn't any different then full TCS. My car just blinks that shit all the time.
need to get it on the track to verify but my indications are yes it is more lenient like our cars were in european delivery.
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      12-16-2014, 06:24 AM   #317
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Whatever it is I hope it's fantastic and plentiful upgrades. I'll need another car before the next generation M3 and the better the LCI/Comp. Pack is the better

Though I'm hoping to get into a 991 for my next car. I wanted one since I got my Scalextric version at age 5. I do want a NA flat six larger than 3l though and the 991 might be the last 911 where the base car has a flat six and a NA engine. Next car might be my best and only shot to get a new one, my oldest kid can sit in the front seat by then and my little one behind her in a child seat. Could work
If you want a new 911 with a NA motor better order quick. likely the 991.2 will have forced induction motors across the board.
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Traditionnaly, Competition Packs on the M3 were not about more power but rather about improved handling; as was the case for the E46 and E9X.

Although this time around, it is possible it might also get a little power bump, since it so easy to do on a turbocharged engine. However, my feeling is that all new S55s will get a power bump when the M2 gets released.
Competition pack around the M2 release makes the most sense. Coming from a competition pack E92, the only thing I really valued was the new wheel design.

I just don't think we will see any comp pack until 2017 model year.
Anything after 2016 is too long for me and not worth waiting for (or paying for).

If you buy or lease now, you'll have time to upgrade to the competition pack before this cycle ends.
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If you want a new 911 with a NA motor better order quick. likely the 991.2 will have forced induction motors across the board.
Or pony up for a GT3 or the upcoming GT3 RS.
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Or pony up for a GT3 or the upcoming GT3 RS.
Even if I could justify the budget ( I can't ) the plan with one kid in the front and the other behind her would be a bit cruel, having to sit on the scaffolding

Are the NA 991 really dead at the mid cycle refresh ( 991.2 )? Pretty aggressive move to already dump the NA sixes reworked for the 991 with such complete success ( the 991 C2S seems to be the darling of pretty much every review and comparo ). I.e has this been officially confirmed by Stuttgart? Sorry for the slight OT.
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      12-16-2014, 12:15 PM   #321
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Even if I could justify the budget ( I can't ) the plan with one kid in the front and the other behind her would be a bit cruel, having to sit on the scaffolding

Are the NA 991 really dead at the mid cycle refresh ( 991.2 )? Pretty aggressive move to already dump the NA sixes reworked for the 991 with such complete success ( the 991 C2S seems to be the darling of pretty much every review and comparo ). I.e has this been officially confirmed by Stuttgart? Sorry for the slight OT.
Porsche has been putting turbo's on the 911 for ages now. Its not a big jump at all plus they are still using the same engine design which already accommodates FI in the 911 turbo. Its really because of cafe standards. going to a small 2.8L F6 with turbo for base carrera with 400hp. the Carrera S will retain 3.8L block with turbo pushing it over 500hp. GT3RS will be NA but lighter and probably 550hp plus a base price at $200k. hopefully they retain a manual transmission in the regular carrera and C2S but that could also go away.

changed my baby on the wing of my RS. makes great changing station. make sure paint protection film is covering it. I say go for it while you can! also when they are small they fit well in back of a 911. once they are about 9 then they are no longer viable rear seat passengers.
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Porsche has been putting turbo's on the 911 for ages now. Its not a big jump at all plus they are still using the same engine design which already accommodates FI in the 911 turbo. Its really because of cafe standards. going to a small 2.8L F6 with turbo for base carrera with 400hp. the Carrera S will retain 3.8L block with turbo pushing it over 500hp. GT3RS will be NA but lighter and probably 550hp plus a base price at $200k. hopefully they retain a manual transmission in the regular carrera and C2S but that could also go away.

changed my baby on the wing of my RS. makes great changing station. make sure paint protection film is covering it. I say go for it while you can! also when they are small they fit well in back of a 911. once they are about 9 then they are no longer viable rear seat passengers.
So, it's confirmed?

I like FI but I pefer NA and for me the 911 has always been a NA flat six and that would be my first choice even if I'm well aware of the turbos. My first drive in a 911 was a NA air cooled beauty and I still remember it as it was yesterday ( over 20 years ago..), Maybe I need to go for a CPO since I'm not ready to trade my F80 yet. Not the same though, I like to be the only owner of a new car. Pity.
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Any update on timing of ZCP for F80/F82?
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      01-19-2015, 10:53 PM   #324
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Or pony up for a GT3 or the upcoming GT3 RS.
Even if I could justify the budget ( I can't ) the plan with one kid in the front and the other behind her would be a bit cruel, having to sit on the scaffolding

Are the NA 991 really dead at the mid cycle refresh ( 991.2 )? Pretty aggressive move to already dump the NA sixes reworked for the 991 with such complete success ( the 991 C2S seems to be the darling of pretty much every review and comparo ). I.e has this been officially confirmed by Stuttgart? Sorry for the slight OT.
Sounds like it. And there is precedent: Porsche just replaced the NA V8 of the Cayenne GTS with a V6 turbo as part of that model's refresh.

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So many people are just waiting for the ZCP, why does BMW feel the need to dribble out these packages over time, when all they're doing is stalling sales and perhaps losing them to Audi, Mercedes if people get fed up from waiting and decide to try an AWD model (Audi, Merc). I think BMW should just offer all their packages, like ZCP, from the beginning and let the market order what is demanded.

This is coming from an E90 ZCP owner who wouldn't upgrade to an F80 until ZCP is introduced.
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has anyone noticed the AY M4 in the background of the M2? That's likely the COMP package. If they are testing, it's likely a power boost. Plus, gotta keep separation from the M2. Link below

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1081546
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I agree there is no other reason to test an exciting model unless there are changes to come however; there is no way to tell the details of these changes.
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has anyone noticed the AY M4 in the background of the M2? That's likely the COMP package. If they are testing, it's likely a power boost. Plus, gotta keep separation from the M2. Link below

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Has anyone had this coded on at this point and know if it makes a big difference on this model? IMO MDM isn't any different then full TCS. My car just blinks that shit all the time.
Friend of mine with the F80 got so frustrated with the MDM, he just runs traction off on the track now. Not sure what the difference is this time around, the US version is historically more annoying, but this time we are hearing the same complaints from the Euro guys too.
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I agree there is no other reason to test an exciting model unless there are changes to come however; there is no way to tell the details of these changes.
Just looks like an F82 on snow wheels I thought.
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I agree there is no other reason to test an exciting model unless there are changes to come however; there is no way to tell the details of these changes.
Is it possible that it is just very simply an ///M Driving Experience vehicle (as is written on the door) on a winter driving circuit?

...or an x-drive M4 prototype
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