08-19-2013, 07:35 PM | #155 |
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take the current M3 base price $61.000 + $20.000 = M4
M4 falls right between M6 and M3 lesser M than M6, but more than M3... so $80k +/- for base M4 would be logical...
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Seems a little steep for a base price. For this to be the case then it must obliterate and RS5 and a C63 AMG 507 edition in every category to justify this price point, or there must be a majority of options standard. Otherwise you are way into M5 territory with 15 k in options. That would put it about 95 k or more.
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Starting price won't be that far off E92 M3 starting price, but adjusted for extra standard equipment that the M4 will have (over the E92 M3). This is what BMW is shooting for.
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I would imagine there will be such an option.
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in any case, I got my credit cards out and holding my breath, because I'm 100% sold on M4... but maybe, I should see the new M3 first...
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The good thing is... you likely can't go wrong either way
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Base will be right around $70K, maybe a bit under. There's no way they're pricing this at $80K.
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08-19-2013, 10:24 PM | #163 |
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Definitely agree there, but since you could have just as easily compared to a fairly stripped 435i, I assumed you really wanted those options. In other words it doesn't strike me as particularly logical to try to make up for performance by adding every gadget and toy unless you have a $60k-$70k pile of money you are trying your damnedest to burn through. Not a criticism necessarily, just we have different ways of thinking I suppose.
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08-19-2013, 10:48 PM | #164 |
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Like I said - different ways of thinking. I don't target a dollar figure, I target a certain use case and range of utility. I then get the most performant car that meets my needs within my budget. Anything left over goes toward the next toy, or perhaps mods, or a vacation, or maybe driving school or track time or whatever.
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08-20-2013, 12:57 AM | #165 | |
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So assuming 7spd DCT is standard and heated seats are standard, the only options I would need are Premium Package, Competition Package and maybe Upgraded sound package. Would love to do this with Euro Delivery at the end of May '14 Edit: would also add Technology Package |
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08-20-2013, 08:38 AM | #166 | |
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Philosophy aside, I think the end result is the same anyway. For a $70k budget, whether comparing a stripped M4 to a stripped 435i or a loaded 435i I'd choose the M4. However, I don't necessarily believe you will be able to drive away in an M4 for that sum of money. I suspect OTD it will be mid-70s, especially since there may be a couple "must haves" such as metallic paint, non-plastic interior trim, possibly factory performance upgrades. Perhaps, if they don't take ED cars from dealer allocations you will be able to come in under $70k for an ED. But I would not count on that, at least not right away. |
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08-20-2013, 10:51 AM | #168 |
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He's in here in the US where, in recent years, BMW NA has made automatic and DCT transmissions standard equipment and manual transmissions a no cost option (when they are available at all). Along with series vehicles like the 3, 4, 5, and 6, the M5 and M6 are also offered this way. So I would say that there is actually a very good chance the M3 and M4 will follow suit.
The net result, by the way, can be assumed to be a higher base price than what may otherwise have been, not a free DCT. |
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1. 19-inch wheels (but probably cast, not forged like 220Ms) 2. IDrive 3. Starting in 2014, rear-view camera
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Seeing the prices I would see this to be around $90k+ in Canada
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08-20-2013, 01:16 PM | #171 | |
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The current E92 M3 is $61,025 with destination according to bmwusa.com. Add in a commensurate increase for the new model plus new standard equipment and we could easily be at a $70k base price. This assumes, for now, that the more efficient engine in the new car avoids the GGT as well. If it does not, that's another $1300. And as I said, a truly zero-option M4 will be unlikely. Once you pay sales tax, I don't see a $70k OTD M4 as a reality. At least not at MSRP. Talk to a forum sponsor about ED pricing or perhaps an invoice-plus deal and you have a shot. |
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08-20-2013, 01:29 PM | #173 | |
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I don't see it as a done deal though. With an MT standard they can keep the base price more competetive and also claim a lower weight, not sure if they can claim the MT weight as the official weight if it's an option. Both are rather important competetive factors but if they want to phase out the MT for the next model a standard DCT is a good way to wind down MT demand further. |
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08-20-2013, 01:51 PM | #174 |
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All valid opinions. The way I see it, standard automatic and DCT transmissions on every Fxx model in the BMW US lineup, including models that sit below and above the M3/M4 is pretty big writing on the wall.
And from the M camp, standard M Driving Dynamics Control also seems likely. Even M Dynamic Damper Control may be standard, though I could equally see them offering a passive system too. |
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For whatever it's worth, the last m3 sedan's euro delivery invoice including gas guzzler tax and destination costs was $50.5k. It was $47.8k without GGT or destination costs.
Now that was a 2011 MY car vs. a 2015 MY car, so assuming some inflation and added costs for content, I'm going with $56k euro invoice price for the new m3 including destination and assuming it avoids the GGT. I personally don't need a competition package on it, don't want carbon ceramic brakes, and can source other things like wheels much more cheaply. I might want the technology package. I think that's going to be pretty darn reasonable at the end of the day. |
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