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07-20-2013, 09:42 PM | #111 | |
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You can't compare a gtr with WAY more power to put to the classic m3 which will have enough power but certainly not enough to necessitate awd. If it was 3500 pounds and had 450 plus foot pounds than maybe but with its technology, improved grip and rwd, it will do just fine |
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07-20-2013, 10:33 PM | #112 |
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FN is asked a specific question if the M4 will be lighter than the 435i.
He answered "Absolutely" and as far as I know every single item he lists is a differentiator to the 435i. Why would he omit to mention some of them just because some are in the E90 M3? He wasn't asked what is new or what differs to the E90 M3. I see no issue with his answer, on contrariry it is extremely exciting. Ligth weight crash zones, use of magnesium, CF trunk. To me this signals that they have been serious about weight. The high rpm parts in the powertrain intrigues me since that signals that there are lighter materials than used in the N55. I wonder where and what. I also disagree with the notion that the M3 is all about maximizing profit for this specific car. The M3 is an icon and a halo car for BMW. It's more about securing and strenghtening their brand and thereby reap longterm benefits and profit across the entire BMW lineup. I.e I think BMW is willing to go further to make this the car as they want it even if it means to eat some of the max profit per sold M3 unit. All in all reading this interview made me very, very happy. I'm now truly excited about this car. BMW and M as we know it seems to be back, at least for the M3. Last edited by solstice; 07-20-2013 at 11:28 PM.. |
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The M5 is a true M car, no matter what people say. Before purchasing, I tried many different cars out. P car, MB, Audi, Jag, and etc. The M5 stood out as the crazy lunatic 4 door family car, and a comfy cruiser all at a touch of a button.
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07-20-2013, 11:28 PM | #114 |
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Sorry, I realized it was an insensitive unneccessary comment. I'll remove it. If you do the same with your quote it should be gone.
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One major reason for this is (as you've pointed out) engine costs will be dramatically reduced and this decision for an I6 with turbo and sits at the center of my largest frustration with BMW Ms direction. Ferrari is a brand more about design, excellence, engineering, racing heritage and emotion as opposed to BMW. That being said even Ferrari closely manage costs and save where they can. They just don't (and obviously don't have to) penny pinch as bad as BMW. I know BMW to Ferrari is really apples to oranges but you've got a bit of rose colored glasses on in your statement just above. In the end the car will likely lead its class, but it won't do so by any tremendous margins (just like this time around); not in speed, not in handling, strip times or lap times. Why? It all comes down to basic economics. I think you have a somewhat naive view of this. If BMW was run by Motorsport enthusiasts and engineers the M cars would be substantially more filled with tech and performance. Marketing knows that as long as they win the magazines comparisons, that will drive sales. It's sort of a self evident truth but the car will only be as good as it needs to, because any better will simply be too expensive. For instance from 1998 to 2007 BMW roughly doubled the number of vehicles they sold whereas their net income went up nearly 600%. That trend is continuing. How and why - one major factor is LESS EXPENSE PUT INTO THEIR CARS. I glad you are excited. Don't let my "glass half empty" get you down too much...
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Nobody said anything about the Lexus, which apparently is on your mind, or has you worried enough to mention it. The IS-F coupe is being worked on, what they up their sleeve is anybody's guess...but, chances are it won't disappoint...and you should be glad that Lexus will offer it. Competition improves the breed.
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07-21-2013, 01:36 AM | #118 |
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"I'm glad you are excited. Don't let my "glass half empty" get you down too much..."
No worries, your view doesn't effect me at all since I don't share it. I do enjoy the discussion though as long as it kept on a civil level. I respect your knowledge even if I don't share your guesses on how BMW operate or what they can or will do. |
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Very interesting statement from Dr.Nitschke ... if you read between the lines:
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Your certainty about this intrigues me. Do you know how much money BMW makes on an M3 they sell the dealer?
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I don't think the BMW move from V-8 to I-6 was meant as a cost cutting move. Somebody else has mentioned this - It's a return to their roots. The V-8 M3 thing appears to me to have been a venture into the muscle car arena. BMW has been more about nimbleness and agility and, evidently, they want to go back there. |
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I love my E92 M3 to death and hopefully will never part with it. I am also looking forward to the new M2/M3/M4. BMW ///M:
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Thank you for the kind words. I agree with you that the E92 M3 is GREAT! I am just excited to see how they can improve upon it with the M4.
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CF roof & trunk on the sedan? Goodbye E60 M5, hello F80 for me. I hope I'm not trading reliability for fewer trips to the fuel pump. I know the handling will be better...
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I agree, I think it will be a more capable car than ours.
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I want an I6 M2 as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to get overly optimistic because of an article that I could construe into BMW "confirming" what I hope happens. As far as the M2 is concerned, I'm taking this article for what it is: official confirmation of nothing. Just like everyone else, now I'm stuck here waiting for more details... |
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Great observation, however, making an effort to reduce polar moment in the chassis does imply that the engine will also be participating in such reductions.
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