Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Ha.

Mine is probably the lowest on the forum

How many miles do you currently have on it? I have 16k on mine currently. I put 34k miles on my '15 prior to buying my '17.

[FormulaMMM]

Think G8X has immediately injected ~10% value into desirable previous models, from F8X back.

That gorgeous Tanzanite ZCP is a perfect example. If I were in the market for an F80 manual, that would be my first pick. it's worth a premium.

If you're looking to acquire a keeper, then what's another $5k when the alternative is never again driving the M car you want?

Sellers holding keepers are in the catbird seat and I don't think that's going to change.

Have a future date with a keeper E9X. I expect to "overpay" by 5 or 10... The bargains are gone.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Think G8X has immediately injected ~10% value into desirable previous models, from F8X back.

That gorgeous Tanzanite ZCP is a perfect example. If I were in the market for an F80 manual, that would be my first pick. it's worth a premium.

If you're looking to acquire a keeper, then what's another $5k when the alternative is never again driving the M car you want?

Sellers holding keepers are in the catbird seat and I don't think that's going to change.

Have a future date with a keeper E9X. I expect to "overpay" by 5 or 10... The bargains are gone.

I think COVID injected that 10% and it will fall back to reality. While most of us in this thread hate the G80 I dont think it has anything to do with values of F8x or E9x.


With that said the stock on F80 manuals isnt low enough IMO to warrant overpaying at this point. Just my opinion.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I think COVID injected that 10% and it will fall back to reality. While most of us in this thread hate the G80 I dont think it has anything to do with values of F8x or E9x.


With that said the stock on F80 manuals isnt low enough IMO to warrant overpaying at this point. Just my opinion.

Yeah, bet COVID relevant too. But the G8X sentiments expressed here translate to a collection of motivated buyers. Believe the GTS market, for example, has been directly influenced by G8X.

Probably too soon to call on F80 comp desirability. But my sense is the floor on something like the tanzanite ZCP isn't too far off (provided maintained excellent condition, reasonable mileage, etc.). Subjectively the best looking M sedan ever made. Someone thinks that's worth an extra 5 or 10.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Not necessarily. In EU pre 19 models have become very wanted by enthusiasts simply due to sound regulations.

Just listen to the spy CSL one on the front page, it say it sounds mean but to me it just sounds muted compared to previous generations.

Yeah. I got asked at a track day whether my base 2016 is actually stock. It's loud at WOT. OPF-equipped cars got nothing on it.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Yeah, bet COVID relevant too. But the G8X sentiments expressed here translate to a collection of motivated buyers. Believe the GTS market, for example, has been directly influenced by G8X.

Probably too soon to call on F80 comp desirability. But my sense is the floor on something like the tanzanite ZCP isn't too far off (provided maintained excellent condition, reasonable mileage, etc.). Subjectively the best looking M sedan ever made. Someone thinks that's worth an extra 5 or 10.

Im guessing the F80s will drop into the high 40s. $62k is almost what I paid for mine new...

[R N M]

I have 2018 F80 Comp with 6.5k miles in Yas Marina. Had a independent dealer offer me $60k.

Issue is there is nothing great to buy and all the other desirable cars are even crazier. M3s are an absolute bargain when you look at GT3 prices or any decent 911 for that matter.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by swagon

Yeah. I got asked at a track day whether my base 2016 is actually stock. It's loud at WOT. OPF-equipped cars got nothing on it.

OPF really mutes the cars. My RS friend bought a OPF one.

There is a lot of talk about cars having to be older than 19 mods simply because nobody wants the GPF/OPF or whatever. I understand them completely, it kills the noise and exhaust crackles too.

My friend thought my car was straight piped when I cold started it

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by R N M

I have 2018 F80 Comp with 6.5k miles in Yas Marina. Had a independent dealer offer me $60k.

Issue is there is nothing great to buy and all the other desirable cars are even crazier. M3s are an absolute bargain when you look at GT3 prices or any decent 911 for that matter.

But lets be honest comparing an M3 to a 911 is laughable.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Im guessing the F80s will drop into the high 40s. $62k is almost what I paid for mine new...

Very possible, that would correspond to E90 ZCP with 2-3x the mileage of that Tanzanite.

Might also be that by the time the current supply/demand used car imbalance sorts itself out, we're in low supply collector/keeper territory with a lot of desirable M cars. We'll see if the F80 gets there. I do think it belongs.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Very possible, that would correspond to E90 ZCP with 2-3x the mileage of that Tanzanite.

Might also be that by the time the current supply/demand used car imbalance sorts itself out, we're in low supply collector/keeper territory with a lot of desirable M cars. We'll see if the F80 gets there. I do think it belongs.

Yeah I guess we will see. I have never felt the F8x is as "special" as the E9x with its bespoke high revving V8 and the only M3 ever with a V8 but I may be proven wrong.

I know this is the F8x section so I wont get much agreement but looks aside there is nothing that makes the F8x stand out from the G8x.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Im guessing the F80s will drop into the high 40s. $62k is almost what I paid for mine new...

I will unload mine before that happens. Lol!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I will unload mine before that happens. Lol!

At one point before they were scarce you could get a manual 11 E90 in the 30s. Hell I bought my mint LCI Comp E92 M3 w/ 24k miles for $33k 2 years ago.

There are still a ton of 18s coming off lease right now. Dealers and sellers are capitalizing "low inventory". Who can blame them.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah I guess we will see. I have never felt the F8x is as "special" as the E9x with its bespoke high revving V8 and the only M3 ever with a V8 but I may be proven wrong.

I know this is the F8x section so I wont get much agreement but looks aside there is nothing that makes the F8x stand out from the G8x.

E9X is and will always be dominated by that glorious engine, heck it could be an instant classic because of that alone, however, it's also gorgeous so what's not to love.

Here's what I think will happen regarding F8X and G8X - as F8X gets cheaper, more people will get their hands on them and realize as a total performance package, it's pretty incredible. Specifically, I think a lot of people will buy them to turn them into track tools, and it will develop more of a reputation of a reliable and accessible platform in that context. Although G8X is CLEARLY a major step forward in stock form, I'm inclined to believe that if you threw on some track focused coilovers, alignment setup, and proper tires on, then there shouldn't be a whole ton of difference between F8X & G8X outside of power/weight which itself is easily addressed through a tune on S55.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah I guess we will see. I have never felt the F8x is as "special" as the E9x with its bespoke high revving V8 and the only M3 ever with a V8 but I may be proven wrong.

I know this is the F8x section so I wont get much agreement but looks aside there is nothing that makes the F8x stand out from the G8x.

I don't think it's as special either. But I know many jumped E90 to F80 and never looked back. And F80 is an all-time looker.

Difficult to project values when the brand you love stops making cars you want. Talking 911's, if the GT3 went hideous tomorrow previous gen values would go berserk.

At a lesser price point, believe that's exactly what M did here. They've sent thousands of M loyalists to previously enjoyed (or never owned) models.

Question is what kind of demand will solidify around each M generation. I'm thinking over time there's going to be a lot for everything F8X back, and supply can only go in one direction now.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dmk08

At one point before they were scarce you could get a manual 11 E90 in the 30s. Hell I bought my mint LCI Comp E92 M3 w/ 24k miles for $33k 2 years ago.

There are still a ton of 18s coming off lease right now. Dealers and sellers are capitalizing "low inventory". Who can blame them.

Literally, pre-COVID you couldn't pay someone to buy F8X lol, I remember cars sitting on this forum for ages in the high 30s / low 40s. 15-16 F80s were barely $40-45k all day

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Literally, pre-COVID you couldn't pay someone to buy F8X lol, I remember cars sitting on this forum for ages in the high 30s / low 40s. 15-16 F80s were barely $40-45k all day

Yeah man. My Individual Comp Pack Manual M4 was $87,000 MSRP and I got 11% off so I paid roughly $80k with tax etc OTD. I sold it 8 months later with 6700 miles for...... $59,900.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

I don't think it's as special either. But I know many jumped E90 to F80 and never looked back. And F80 is an all-time looker.

Difficult to project values when the brand you love stops making cars you want. Talking 911's, if the GT3 went hideous tomorrow previous gen values would go berserk.

At a lesser price point, believe that's exactly what M did here. They've sent thousands of M loyalists to previously enjoyed (or never owned) models.

Question is what kind of demand will solidify around each M generation. I'm thinking over time there's going to be a lot for everything F8X back, and supply can only go in one direction now.

Honestly at $62k I personally would spend $10k more and get a G80 even with the bad design. Obviously Im not everyone but I am a long time M owner.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Honestly at $62k I personally would spend $10k more and get a G80 even with the bad design. Obviously Im not everyone but I am a long time M owner.

Oooooh..... no.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

E9X is and will always be dominated by that glorious engine, heck it could be an instant classic because of that alone, however, it's also gorgeous so what's not to love.

Here's what I think will happen regarding F8X and G8X - as F8X gets cheaper, more people will get their hands on them and realize as a total performance package, it's pretty incredible. Specifically, I think a lot of people will buy them to turn them into track tools, and it will develop more of a reputation of a reliable and accessible platform in that context. Although G8X is CLEARLY a major step forward in stock form, I'm inclined to believe that if you threw on some track focused coilovers, alignment setup, and proper tires on, then there shouldn't be a whole ton of difference between F8X & G8X outside of power/weight which itself is easily addressed through a tune on S55.

....but when people begin modding the G8X in the same fashion you mentioned for the F8X, the gap will widen again.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeah man. My Individual Comp Pack Manual M4 was $87,000 MSRP and I got 11% off so I paid roughly $80k with tax etc OTD. I sold it 8 months later with 6700 miles for...... $59,900.

Jeez that's brutal. I don't know if I could bring myself to buy a BMW new just because of the savage depreciation curve alone

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

....but when people begin modding the G8X in the same fashion you mentioned for the F8X, the gap will widen again.

So this is what I'm curious about - if you setup F8X and G8X with the same coilovers, alignment, tires, brakes, power/weight, etc. just like many people would do if they built a track focused car, would there really be a massive difference? It seems to me that the massive gap comes from the leap forward in stock hardware. And I don't mean any of this facetiously, I am genuinely curious about what would happen if you put both cars in this situation.