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https://youtu.be/Xuc8sVERy6Q Added on you can even visit Affalterbach and have a tour of the factory where they build the engines. (I've done this myself back in 2014, and I have no idea if you can tour the new Kolleda facotory which builds the 2.0L AMG engines.). Also congrats on pulling out the teenager card. No idea what that has to do with anything but good job either way. Edit (Just did some research)- The whole building process takes about 2.5-4 hours depending on the engine. So with having two factories operational, and plenty of AMG Master mechanics working; it's not that difficult to build 30k engines within a year.
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Oh Carl again!!!
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03-25-2015, 06:23 PM | #202 | |
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One thing to remember, the actual build of the engine is done through automation and special tooling. The gentleman at the end then assembles the ten or so parts. This is a simple process (but still a nice one) very similar to what happens at the Porsche factory (I have been there but never to Affalterbach), except when I was there during the assembly process each component was fitted by a worker and then the engine was passed to the next worker. I suppose my views on AMG and their marketing of the "hand built engines" come from the fact it is more of the assembly process than build, though technically this is considered a build. This is very similar to what happens at the Porsche factory (I have been there but never to Affalterbach), except during the assembly process each part was fitted by a worker and then the engine was passed to the next worker. |
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03-25-2015, 06:31 PM | #203 | |
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Never knew that Porsche also hand built their engines. Thanks for the info! Ya AMG is quite different in the hand building process. They believe that only one master mechanic should be a part of the building process, and therefore he's fully accountable for the engine.
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03-25-2015, 07:01 PM | #204 | |
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You have been to the factory though and have owned twice as many AMGs as me so I'd be pretty sure you know more than I do about the brand. If it had relevance on a BMW forum I'd list my now-sold Mercedes to make clear to the current crop of AMG fans (like "bimmerJ") who are very keen to defend their cars that I do like the marque, I just happen to have a lot more experience with M and P. To be clear, 911 engines are hand assembled not hand built. |
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03-25-2015, 07:45 PM | #205 | |
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It is "hand built" (final assembly) from assembled parts by "master techs."
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Thanks for the insights Carl. I first thought the technicians started by casting the aluminum parts in sand molds. Now I know they only assemble the parts.
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"The BMW feels like a lighter, nimbler, more precise car than the C63".
-Ben Barry In addition to it having a 6MT, this observation by Ben Barry is how I know I made the right decision to buy the F80.
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Hello everyone.
I have seen some videos of the C 63 AMG S and its 510 HP have not impressed me much, unlike the exhaust sound, which is brutal ... I send two videos to compare 0-250Km/h: C 63 AMG S ~ 23.5s M3 F80 ~ 21.5s Greetings from Portugal. |
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thanks for posting, but based on everything we've seen, we can comfortably conclude that the C63S will be not insignificantly faster 0-250km/hr. the base C63 should be a better match, but even that might be faster. 4 liters is a lot more than 3. with a tune, these cars are going to be damn near untouchable in this segment.
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also remember the old C63 performance package only added 0.1 seconds to the 0-60 and I even saw magazine tests where it was NO improvement over the base, again most likely because of traction. its adding 7% power to a car that already will have some traction issues, will it really make more of a difference than 0.1-0.2 seconds? and who is to say its not all marketing, I would be interested to see the actual boost specs of the two versions. I was very interested in the C63 (and S) but after seeing the pricing and the BMW Lease residuals right now, the M3/M4 will be considerably cheaper until Mercedes starts to deal in another year or so. To me these cars are so close in performance/looks that a few thousand in my pocket makes the decision easy. |
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IMO more potential customers are interested in the in-gear numbers. These will be markedly quicker. I agree they'll look at an AWD set up for the S as the have with the E63S, but only for LHD markets (though I do see some talk about future architecture supporting both) as: "In the E63 AMG S-Model AWD, the front driveshaft sprouts out of the dual-clutch gearbox to the right, meaning that the steering hardware for right-hand-drive variants cannot fit next to the all-wheel drive hardware." |
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The big difference that AMG markets is that a single technician does the final assembly from beginning to end. Most other manufacturers have the engines built in a production flow where each technician is assigned to a given station a repeats the same operation for every engine. The later is much more efficient but has less glamour to it .
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