2015 M4 vs 2016 Camaro SS

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by azzurro

We'll have to talk wine sometime. All of the Antinori wines are great. My next favorite is Tignanello followed by Solaia. I have two cases of Tignanello in my cellar 2007, 2008 & 2009.

Nice. I could talk ( and drink wine) ever day all day. For me its mainly French and Italian wines with Spanish Rioja growing with time. Various Châteauneuf-du-Pape makes up 75% of my collection.

Im also a big cigar collector as well.

[azzurro]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

Nice. I could talk ( and drink wine) ever day all day. For me its mainly French and Italian wines with Spanish Rioja growing with time. Various Châteauneuf-du-Pape makes up 75% of my collection.

Im also a big cigar collector as well.

Cigars for me too..and single malt scotch. 10 years ago my cellar was mostly French Bordeaux (mostly 2nd growth Grand Cru Classe) and California Cabernet Sauvignon.

Now, it's mostly Pinot Noir (mostly Central California Foxen, Loring etc) Paso Robles GSM and Rhone wines/blends (France Chateau Neuf du Pape, Gigondas, Cote Rotie and Hermitage), Italian (Brunello, Barolo). Spanish Rioja's and Ribera Del Duero. I do have a nice collection of Dunn Howell Mountain, Chimney Rock, La Jota & Silver Oak cabs. My palate has softened a lot and like more subtle wines now. Another great hobby.

[Bahn360Photo]

nice car, how do you guys compare it to new mustang? i'd lean towards mustang

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

nice car, how do you guys compare it to new mustang? i'd lean towards mustang

Same here. I think Ford did a much better job with the new gen Mustangs than GM did here.

[rr006rbc]

Originally Posted by minn19

Same here. I think Ford did a much better job with the new gen Mustangs than GM did here.

The latest model Mustang looks amazing lowered and from the side profile..

[rallybull]

Could it be possible that the new Camaro has actually better build quality than the f8x? Unless BMW really upped their game with constant rattles and squeaks with a lot of cheap plastics, I find it hard to believe that any car would actually have worse build quality than a new 3 series BMW. Do they drive well? Sure. Build quality? Duh!
/rant over

[nicknaz]

So latest guess is ~3600lb and 455hp?

Close enough to f8x to be interesting. Hopefully they steal some tech from the current z/28amd make a really crazy "track package"

Love it when these cars challenge the m3/c63. Will make the g platform m3 even better for us.

[bravm3pwr]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

nice car, how do you guys compare it to new mustang? i'd lean towards mustang

Mustang is a better car overall than the Camaro.

[pgviper]

Funny how much people know about the new mustang when all that has been available are pictures... Makes for a good laugh.

As rallybull mentioned, I have a lot of rattles and shit in my X3 so as far as build quality goes, I don't see how people think BMW is the almighty maker of solid automobiles.

Personally, I will def be cross shopping this car (the Z model) and a pre-owned M4 so I don't see where people think that this doesn't happen.

My buddy cross shopped an e92 M3 with his ZL1 and ultimately decided on the ZL1. There are no rules for cross shopping vehicles.

[Bloodstar57]

I'm in the market for a new toy. The M4 moved up, to the top of the list when i realized the lease rates for the Stingray are less than desirable. Now this new Camaro sparks my interest especially if the SS will perform like the outgoing SS 1LE.

Overall these are fun times for car shopping.

[myzmak]

Interior does look nicer than I would expect....(though, would still wager that first hand it will be full of Detroit plastic instead of real materials....)

Still, the brand will forever be associated in my mind with things like this:

....great song ....but not a car I would ever own.

[e90inAZ]

Originally Posted by bravm3pwr

Mustang is a better car overall than the Camaro.

The 2015 Mustang is only ~70 lbs lighter than the 2015 Camaro. 2016 Camaro is rumored to be 200 lbs lighter than the 2015. For once, the Camaro will be lighter than the Mustang, which seems strange to me.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by e90inAZ

The 2015 Mustang is only ~70 lbs lighter than the 2015 Camaro. 2016 Camaro is rumored to be 200 lbs lighter than the 2015. For once, the Camaro will be lighter than the Mustang, which seems strange to me.

Agree
I doubt it will be.. The platform is shared with the ATS and I think the CTS..

Look at the different versions of the ATS.. I doubt the V8 SS is going to weigh less than 3800.

Now the 4 hopefully should be pretty light cause the ATS is with the 4.. But performance normally equals weight.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

So latest guess is ~3600lb and 455hp?

Close enough to f8x to be interesting. Hopefully they steal some tech from the current z/28amd make a really crazy "track package"

Love it when these cars challenge the m3/c63. Will make the g platform m3 even better for us.

I am thinking .. betting closer to 3800 for the SS...

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Agree
I doubt it will be.. The platform is shared with the ATS and I think the CTS..

Look at the different versions of the ATS.. I doubt the V8 SS is going to weigh less than 3800.

Now the 4 hopefully should be pretty light cause the ATS is with the 4.. But performance normally equals weight.

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I am thinking .. betting closer to 3800 for the SS...

During the reveal Mark Reuss said the 200+lbs is "model for model".

Motor Trend weighed 5th gen SS at 3,863 lbs. So, could be looking at mid 3,600 lbs. If they are telling the truth.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

During the reveal Mark Reuss said the 200+lbs is "model to model".

Motor Trend weighed 5th gen SS at 3,863 lbs. So, could be looking at mid 3,600 lbs. If they are telling the truth.

IDK... Not an apples to apples comparison but based upon the same platform...

Per Motor Trend
2015 ATS Coupe 2.0T (M)-3463

Per Car And Driver
2015 ATS Coupe 3.6(A)-3565


Per Car And Driver
2015 ATS-V (M)-3760

Per Car And Driver
The ZL1 came in at 4118
The Z28 came in at 3862
The SS1LE is at 3884

IDK could be possible.. Someone needs to "borrow one from GM" for testing.

[DocWeatherington]

[socalsnake]

Originally Posted by minn19

I actually think it is nice looking and the interior has been upgraded nicely over the previous car.

My neighbor has an older Camaro and we swapped cars one day (this is when I had my 335) and I actually felt clastrophobic in that thing. I realize it is a coupe thing, but the site lines are terrible and doesn't look like they did anything to do that. Thing was fast though.

If you want to go fast for fairly cheap, it looks like this and the Mustang GT are for you.

DD is a Mustang GT. It serves DD duties quite well!

[ForTehNguyen]

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[JeffM-Houston]

Mustang is a better car overall than the Camaro.

Except for the new Mustang being fatter and slower than the outgoing Mustang. With a decent suspension the new Camaro should be a decent DD and autox car, but we'll have to wait and see.

I do like the looks of the new Mustang though.

[HuskyBMW]

If it was a dedicated track car for me then maybe but as a daily driver, no way

[ForTehNguyen]

Originally Posted by JeffM-Houston

Except for the new Mustang being fatter and slower than the outgoing Mustang. With a decent suspension the new Camaro should be a decent DD and autox car, but we'll have to wait and see.

I do like the looks of the new Mustang though.

If you live your life a quarter mile at the time maybe. 2015 GT Performance Pack has faster laptimes than previous gen Boss 302

Originally Posted by e90inAZ

The 2015 Mustang is only ~70 lbs lighter than the 2015 Camaro. 2016 Camaro is rumored to be 200 lbs lighter than the 2015. For once, the Camaro will be lighter than the Mustang, which seems strange to me.

2015 V8 camaros weighed 3900#. 2015 Performance Pack GTs weigh over 3700#. Weights will just equalize between the cars. There is some easy weight to drop off a mustang, aftermarket pipe removes that 30# suitcase sized resonator. PP wheels are 33#, you can get inexpensive 19" wheels that weigh 21-22#. Easily 40# unsprung gone.