2015 M4 vs 2016 Camaro SS

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

If you live your life a quarter mile at the time maybe. 2015 GT Performance Pack has faster laptimes than previous gen Boss 302.

MotorTrend has a comparo of the outgoing 1LE and new Mustang Track Pack. 1LE smoked it around Streets of Willow by 3+ secs. 1LE was also much quicker than Boss 302 around VIR during C/D Lightning Lap. So I don't get this "live your life quarter mile at time" comment. GM has said numerous times the new SS equals outgoing 1LE performance levels.

[Bloodstar57]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

MotorTrend has a comparo of the outgoing 1LE and new Mustang Track Pack. 1LE smoked it around Streets of Willow by 3+ secs. 1LE was also much quicker than Boss 302 around VIR during C/D Lightning Lap. So I don't get this "live your life quarter mile at time" comment. GM has said numerous times the new SS equals outgoing 1LE performance levels.

This is the best part of all! The 1LE is beast at the track and with the new gen SS at that level, it seems like a win.

Like i told a friend Ford was behind; they had the challenge of having the new gen mustang beat the current gen Camaro (which it cannot) then try to beat a new Gen Camaro that at the time was not released.

Same thing applies to the GT350/R; beat the current Z28 then beat the new one

[Warranty P]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

Much better interior than I was expecting. They should put that in the ATS-V.

Should be a spectacular car to drive. Even the old SS 1LE beats the M4 around a track with the same HP and much more weight. Now even the base Camaro SS' will do it, for about half the price of the M4.

I think I'd take this over the ATS-V.

I don't know where you are getting your misinformation from but I went against my buddy's Camaro and in every instance (drag race, auto-x, autobahn) I smoked him and BAD.

[MDIVISION]

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[CirrusSR22]

Originally Posted by Warranty Pussy

I don't know where you are getting your misinformation from but I went against my buddy's Camaro and in every instance (drag race, auto-x, autobahn) I smoked him and BAD.

Streets of Willow (same driver):
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html

Camaro SS 1LE - 1:22.70
M4 - 1:23.73

I'm surprised you found a 1LE car in Germany to race. There appears to be very few in all of Europe.

[ForTehNguyen]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

MotorTrend has a comparo of the outgoing 1LE and new Mustang Track Pack. 1LE smoked it around Streets of Willow by 3+ secs. 1LE was also much quicker than Boss 302 around VIR during C/D Lightning Lap. So I don't get this "live your life quarter mile at time" comment. GM has said numerous times the new SS equals outgoing 1LE performance levels.

I was refering to the comment about the previous mustang being faster than the new one. In a drag yea the solid rear axle is faster, but not on a track. Hence the comment the Boss 302 is slower than the 15 GT with PP. Never did I refer to the camaro in that comment, only in the weight comment.

1.3 second on a 3 minute laptime doesnt exactly equate to "much quicker" 3:01.5 vs 3:02.8. Reviewers have said the 1LE is punishing to daily, a 15 GT PP isnt

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2014-feature

[Warranty P]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

Streets of Willow (same driver):
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html

Camaro SS 1LE - 1:22.70
M4 - 1:23.73

I'm surprised you found a 1LE car in Germany to race. There appears to be very few in all of Europe.

I was going off of real life experience. It possible that we had different driver skill though.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

nice car, how do you guys compare it to new mustang? i'd lean towards mustang

I think the new camaro's exterior is improved with very nice lines although I only care for the SS front end. Something off on the lower models front end. But my problem with the original Camaro, the new Camaro, and every modern Vette is that the interior has a very cheap tacked on look. I owned a "new era" Pontiac in the late 80's and the plastic bits and buttons don't seem much changed even in this new Camaro. I will never get this. Even if they spent another $1,000 (which in reality is probably closer to $200), they could make the interior of these cars look high quality, and attract so many more buyers. Even the seats just have this cheap plasticky look. I just couldn't own a car like this as a result no matter what the performance or "value" equation appears to be. Such a pity because it seems they pay so much attention to the cars exterior and dynamics and it would be great to have a great sounding V8 as an option. That is why I lean Mustang. Although the interior is not luxurious, it seems better quality and more unified in its design.

[DocWeatherington]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-ch...ghts-revealed/

[mkoesel]

That's some significant weight loss. Not too big a surprise - we knew the switch to the Alpha platform would mean a lighter car. The 1/4 mile times are not at all shabby either.

It'll be interesting to see if they intend to build another Z28 (or similar GT350-like car), and also what they have in store for the ZL1 or similar.

Thanks for posting that chart, BTW.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

That's some significant weight loss. Not too big a surprise - we knew the switch to the Alpha platform would mean a lighter car. The 1/4 mile times are not at all shabby either.

It'll be interesting to see if they intend to build another Z28 (or similar GT350-like car), and also what they have in store for the ZL1 or similar.

Thanks for posting that chart, BTW.

Similar to the c7 corvette, the zr1 and z06 performance models were replaced by a single unit designated the z06. I would notr be surprised if you see the same thing happen with the camaro. Replace the zl1 and z/28 by a single model, whichever name they choose, and drop the lt4 engine into it. Possibly detuned similar to the CTS-V.

[hellrotm]

3,685lbs for SS. Impressive, most people didn't believe the weight loss hype.

In about 3 years, a used manual SS is going to be a dedicated track car bargain. Low running costs, with a workhorse LT1.

[mkoesel]

Possible. I think it depends at least in some part on whether Ford offers a new GT500, and if they do, whether it replaces or joins the existing GT350. It may or may not make sense for GM to offer a similar lineup - we'll see.

Originally Posted by pgviper

Similar to the c7 corvette, the zr1 and z06 performance models were replaced by a single unit designated the z06. I would notr be surprised if you see the same thing happen with the camaro. Replace the zl1 and z/28 by a single model, whichever name they choose, and drop the lt4 engine into it. Possibly detuned similar to the CTS-V.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Similar to the c7 corvette, the zr1 and z06 performance models were replaced by a single unit designated the z06. I would notr be surprised if you see the same thing happen with the camaro. Replace the zl1 and z/28 by a single model, whichever name they choose, and drop the lt4 engine into it. Possibly detuned similar to the CTS-V.

You don't think GM won't want an answer for the GT350 in the Continental Tire Series? They won't be running FI in that series.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

You don't think GM won't want an answer for the GT350 in the Continental Tire Series? They won't be running FI in that series.

We haven't seen any evidence of such development from chevrolet. No rumors, NOTHING.

Besides, if they had any "latest and greatest" tech, then it would be going into the corvette. Camaro has always gotten the hand me downs from its big brother.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Possible. I think it depends at least in some part on whether Ford offers a new GT500, and if they do, whether it replaces or joins the existing GT350. It may or may not make sense for GM to offer a similar lineup - we'll see.

Looks to be a gt500 in the works for 2017. Do you really think its out of the realm of possibilities for chevrolet to produce a single vehicle that surpasses both but as one package. I don't think so...

Maybe Ford is taking a route where you need to sacrifice straight line speed for track performance or vice versa. Maybe Chevrolets plan is to produce something that is competitive at both.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Looks to be a gt500 in the works for 2017. Do you really think its out of the realm of possibilities for chevrolet to produce a single vehicle that surpasses both but as one package. I don't think so...

No I don't think that's impossible - that's why I spoke in speculative terms in my post.

Maybe Ford is taking a route where you need to sacrifice straight line speed for track performance or vice versa. Maybe Chevrolets plan is to produce something that is competitive at both.

Could be. It's too early to call right now. I dont think its about sacrificing straight line speed though, since any of the big three could build a 700hp+ engine. It's more about finding a niche and building a car for it. It all depends on what customers are asking for and how you satisfy that market. We'll see how it plays out. Camaro and Corvette are in different shoes since there is no Ford Corvette equivalent.

[krnnerdboy]

While it's great that there's so much competition and affordable hp, it scares me that the general public can buy such fast cars. These performance numbers were reserved for supercars just a decade ago....

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

While it's great that there's so much competition and affordable hp, it scares me that the general public can buy such fast cars. These performance numbers were reserved for supercars just a decade ago....

Haha think about what the man drives.. that is scary, because those as well are getting faster too.. lol

[evanescent03]

m3/4 performance for soooo much less. granted our cars have much better overall appeal and if you need for doors the Camaro is out of the question... But there is no denying that this is impressive performance. I am NOT a fan of the side profile, it seems like there is a lot of sheet metal. I think when they come out with a more track focused version such as a 1LE we are gonna get smoked. I'm perfectly fine with it... my wife says I'm not allowed anything from GM because of all the deaths associated with their KNOWN faulty ignitions. I don't know all the details on that story but it sounds like a good enough reason to not support the company. slightly off topic there .. sorry.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

m3/4 performance for soooo much less. granted our cars have much better overall appeal and if you need for doors the Camaro is out of the question... But there is no denying that this is impressive performance. I am NOT a fan of the side profile, it seems like there is a lot of sheet metal. I think when they come out with a more track focused version such as a 1LE we are gonna get smoked. I'm perfectly fine with it... my wife says I'm not allowed anything from GM because of all the deaths associated with their KNOWN faulty ignitions. I don't know all the details on that story but it sounds like a good enough reason to not support the company. slightly off topic there .. sorry.

I understand.. I was in process of getting a C7 Z51 but was like.. I don't trust GM.. BMW isn't perfect but I doubt they would of handled the situation in the same manner as GM.. but it is what it is.. But... I think GM has gotten better and would consider them again when in the market in 2017.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I understand.. I was in process of getting a C7 Z51 but was like.. I don't trust GM.. BMW isn't perfect but I doubt they would of handled the situation in the same manner as GM.. but it is what it is.. But... I think GM has gotten better and would consider them again when in the market in 2017.

the vette has been a solid performance car and the Camaro has really stepped up lately. the numbers on this new car are ridiculous!! a ZL1 or Z/28 version should be a real M3 beater... still big cars that feel good and other factors keeping the M3 safe overall, but the Camaro has come out swinging!