► Car Shopping Part 1: M4 Vs. C63

[DS_BMW]

I like the c63, however it does not look more aggressive than the M3.

[Jojipoji]

You must be joking to say the f8x has better steering feel than a w205. You serious? The f8x steering feel and sound are the two major flaws of the f8x according to every major reviewer.

Originally Posted by polly

It's amazing here in South Africa, every time I drive past a merc dealer I always see 2 or 3 63 in their showroom and that car was only launched last year.
M3 on the other still has to be ordered as their is never stock available.
That alone speaks volume.

Btw on a lighter side I took my yas m3 to show it off to a buddy of mine that's works for Mercedes last week. After a few minutes the dealer principle came out and jokingly asked me to go home cause he said all his clients are "running outside" to look at my car.
He said its bad for his business lol.

You need to seriously test drive a 63 for at least 200 km. Like mentioned above you will be disappointed with a lot of the tech especially the mct, command online, handling and steering fell, etc.

[Imola3]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I agree the coupe looks much much better than the sedan.

the coupe will likely be 10k-15k more than the sedan. the lease rates will be more likely 1300-1500 a month min down 3 yr 10k a yr, at least for now.

it's priced in a different league than the m3/m4.

makes the m3/m4 very cheap by comparison.

or you can get a C43 AMG. hehe.

10k-15k? No way. If you use the $2200 difference M3/ M4 as a baseline maybe it'll be 4K for the C63 coupe

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Jojipoji

You must be joking to say the f8x has better steering feel than a w205. You serious? The f8x steering feel and sound are the two major flaws of the f8x according to every major reviewer.

Thr steering feel in the C63 is worse than the M3 by a lot... i've driven a C63 and two things stood out-

Terrible Steering
Unresponsive Tranny in comparison to M3

Combine that with the god awful old man looks and the M3 wins by a mile...

[polly]

Originally Posted by Jojipoji

You must be joking to say the f8x has better steering feel than a w205. You serious? The f8x steering feel and sound are the two major flaws of the f8x according to every major reviewer.

Well if u believe all the kak that journalist throw out then good luck to u. If you really want to feel what an unresponsive electric power steering feel like - go buy a c class.

I made a mistake buying a 63 and sold it within 3 weeks and got back into a face lifted m3.

did u drive both cars back to back?

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Imola3

10k-15k? No way. If you use the $2200 difference M3/ M4 as a baseline maybe it'll be 4K for the C63 coupe

bmw's pricing is lower than mb's.

you may be right, but i still think the avg price will difference will be 10k with options.

not a perfect example but because of lack of mb current assortments to compare:

S63 sedan avg price on dealer lot is: 160k

S63 coupe avg price on same dealer lot is: 179k

The price difference with mb between the coupe and sedan is more pronounced than with bmw's or audis. Considering it is about 20k with S class amg's, i would not venture it wild to be 10k with c class amg's.

based my research on fletcher jones mb near me:

http://www.fletcher.mercedesdealer.com/new

[Lalit@autocouture]

C63>M4 for me. I'd trade mine in any day if the lease numbers were similar.

[Jojipoji]

I own both lol. I love how many of you guys have to justify yourselves by blindly putting down other cars without any basis behind your comments. The w205 has significantly better steering feel, has a better motor and actually is more confidence inspiring. Most people will undoubtedly put better track times with a c63s than a m3. The m3 looks way better and has the better transmission (dct) and an available m6. Both are great cars, but you can't say with honesty that a f8x has better steering response and feel than the w205. Have you been 70mph in a w205 c63s on a sharp turn, the feedback and response is way better although it isn't a great like a gt3 or lotus etc.. The f8x gives very little feedback and really it's more instinct on how much to counter steer because the steering is very mechanical on the f8x.

If anyone really thinks the steering feel of a f8x is great, then I feel bad for you because you are missing out on all the great handling cars out there or are totally blinded by your ignorance that nothing will ever change your mind.

Originally Posted by polly

Well if u believe all the kak that journalist throw out then good luck to u. If you really want to feel what an unresponsive electric power steering feel like - go buy a c class.

I made a mistake buying a 63 and sold it within 3 weeks and got back into a face lifted m3.

did u drive both cars back to back?

[JTO24]

I would definitely consider the C63.. I think it's a great looking car; very understated, but I like that about the Merc. Although, I'd hate if the F80 shared the same rear fenders as the F30

[CSanto]

They look like they may take a pretty solid depreciation hit. I may try to pick up a slightly used one.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Jojipoji

I own both lol. I love how many of you guys have to justify yourselves by blindly putting down other cars without any basis behind your comments. The w205 has significantly better steering feel, has a better motor and actually is more confidence inspiring. Most people will undoubtedly put better track times with a c63s than a m3. The m3 looks way better and has the better transmission (dct) and an available m6. Both are great cars, but you can't say with honesty that a f8x has better steering response and feel than the w205. Have you been 70mph in a w205 c63s on a sharp turn, the feedback and response is way better although it isn't a great like a gt3 or lotus etc.. The f8x gives very little feedback and really it's more instinct on how much to counter steer because the steering is very mechanical on the f8x.

If anyone really thinks the steering feel of a f8x is great, then I feel bad for you because you are missing out on all the great handling cars out there or are totally blinded by your ignorance that nothing will ever change your mind.

Track times and figure 8 (MT) by professionals on different days, different drivers.



Consider the C has over 100 more lb/ft of torque and 70+ more hp.
I, personally, could not justify the C63S 10k price difference based on the track times, but hey, the steering must be better.

I would consider it, however, once they offer 15k off like they did on the W204 C63 (I had one)

They kept the original hydraulic steering for the C right?

different strokes for different folks.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by Jojipoji

I own both lol. I love how many of you guys have to justify yourselves by blindly putting down other cars without any basis behind your comments. The w205 has significantly better steering feel, has a better motor and actually is more confidence inspiring. Most people will undoubtedly put better track times with a c63s than a m3. The m3 looks way better and has the better transmission (dct) and an available m6. Both are great cars, but you can't say with honesty that a f8x has better steering response and feel than the w205. Have you been 70mph in a w205 c63s on a sharp turn, the feedback and response is way better although it isn't a great like a gt3 or lotus etc.. The f8x gives very little feedback and really it's more instinct on how much to counter steer because the steering is very mechanical on the f8x.

If anyone really thinks the steering feel of a f8x is great, then I feel bad for you because you are missing out on all the great handling cars out there or are totally blinded by your ignorance that nothing will ever change your mind.

Snap out of it joji. I've tracked my cars over 50x. I've never seen a Mercedes, ever.

[Jojipoji]

I tracked as much as you have and I can say it's 10-1 Bmw to mb, but I'm shocked. At each track day I see 100+ cars in the various run groups. Without doubt almost every track day I will see 1 or 2 mbs. Irregardless, as a person with that much track time can you honestly say a f8x has great steering feel and feedback?

I'm not denigrating the f8x it's a great car. I just find the many posts about how the f8x is better in every category than the c63s and atsv laughable. Everyone here gets so butt hurt when you make a comment that perhaps it doesn't have great steering and that the f8x competitors maybe better in certain aspects.

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Snap out of it joji. I've tracked my cars over 50x. I've never seen a Mercedes, ever.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Jojipoji

I tracked as much as you have and I can say it's 10-1 Bmw to mb, but I'm shocked. At each track day I see 100+ cars in the various run groups. Without doubt almost every track day I will see 1 or 2 mbs. Irregardless, as a person with that much track time can you honestly say a f8x has great steering feel and feedback?

I'm not denigrating the f8x it's a great car. I just find the many posts about how the f8x is better in every category than the c63s and atsv laughable. Everyone here gets so butt hurt when you make a comment that perhaps it doesn't have great steering and that the f8x competitors maybe better in certain aspects.

There are definitely camps of idiots and fanboys on both sides of the discussion.

I would say the above cars are statistically a tie.

At this point it is purely preference and budget.

[Karim3]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

There are definitely camps of idiots and fanboys on both sides of the discussion.

I would say the above cars are statistically a tie.

At this point it is purely preference and budget.

There seem to be a concensus that the F8x is a little less confidence inspiring than its direct and indirect competitors(Ats, C63, Camaro, Mustang) and also than its predecessors. Does'nt mean it is less fun to drive, but with equal performamce, almost everyone will be slower in the less confidence inspiring car!

[geared]

one word - automatic. terrible.

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

Interior:
The C63 in stock had the sport seats, which I would option. They were actually really comfortable and I don't see any issue on a long drive with them. Compared to the M4 seats, the C63 was definitely more firm and supportive, needless to say better looking too. The Burmester speakers were far better than the M4 with HK. The quality and materials used was also far superior and for the love of god a flat bottom steering wheel from factory! BMW interior is really starting to show its age now compared to the newly designed C63. Steering was perfect size and nice racing stripe as a nice touch. The analog IWC clock was a nice touch as well. The only downside (probably from being used to I-Drive) was their Command system. I was very confused by the dual layout (rotary + touch) and the menu was not as intuitive and seamless as BMW. Again, probably something I will get used to over time but not a big deal.

+1 C63

It's a different system than iDrive so you have to just get familiar with it. The Command system in the W205 is context based. For example, if you navigate with the touch pad and clicker, then you are able to enter characters by handwriting them with your finger. If you decide to use the rotary, then you scroll around with the wheel. You can choose to use one or the other, or both if you like. I found it to be pretty intuitive, but I pretty much only use voice commands now. It picks up what I say pretty accurately.

[fusionchicken]

Would just like to say that the OP was very well done, nicely categorized and the lease numbers were an eye opener. I mean I knew MBs aren't known for lease deals but holy poop. Comparo images also helped. 10/10 wood read again.

[infamousdiz]

If the lease numbers were better you would see alot more of them, Cant beieve you said you think the C63 looks better, it looks great but not better then the M3.

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by Jojipoji

Yo hit me up, I prob can get you a pretty sick deal if you can deal with black!

dammm you are really trying to move this car. (big kickback? lol,) If its in hartford how is the dealership there? New Country BMW(hartford) SUCKS, terrible sales, A guy at work was telling me his best pal in the manager there I told him I wouldn't go there even if they were the best deal (which they never are) I would drive to bridgeport before i go there (I go to N. Haven which in IMHO is the best dealership hands down) Watertown gave me a better deal but i still bought at N. Haven. The service there is beyond great, a big reason why i don't switch brands

[Jojipoji]

Haha nah not trying to move the car. I got such a great Deal, I thought I'd share it with others. 10700 off Msrp is pretty kick butt. I would have gotten a c63 sooner but no one was budging off of Msrp even now until I got hooked up in Greenwich. Will def go to north haven heard good things about their service. I.e. Mod friendly

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

dammm you are really trying to move this car. (big kickback? lol,) If its in hartford how is the dealership there? New Country BMW(hartford) SUCKS, terrible sales, A guy at work was telling me his best pal in the manager there I told him I wouldn't go there even if they were the best deal (which they never are) I would drive to bridgeport before i go there (I go to N. Haven which in IMHO is the best dealership hands down) Watertown gave me a better deal but i still bought at N. Haven. The service there is beyond great, a big reason why i don't switch brands

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Easy decision. Drivers car vs Riders car. You're obviously impressed by radios, shiny buttons, flat bottom steering wheels with cool red stripes, and optional "racing" seats. For your needs, I'd buck up and get the C63. Just think about how cool you'd look revving it outside the Starbucks on Saturday mornings. You'll be a stoplight killer, and your dream will be real.

damn son, you're salty as fk!!!