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      01-16-2020, 11:48 AM   #1013
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The lag with the X3M is a major disappointment IMO, or at least what I experienced during my M Town test drive. Has me concerned about the G80
I'm hoping it's just a tuning "quirk" of the X3M and that the G80 has much less lag. I haven't driven X3M, personally, but from what I hear that low-end lag is turrible lol
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The x3m was my second choice. Sounds like a I made a good decision
100% you made the right decision! Every time I drive the M3P I go "Wow, how is it this good?"

The lag from a dig on the X3M is just laughable. I mean, you are literally neck and neck from 0-20 with Nissan Sentra's. Wish I was exaggerating. Using LC is close to impossible in the real world.

It takes 3 solid "Mississippi" seconds to build boost, otherwise it still lags. If you hold it over 4 seconds, the brakes cannot hold the car back. Useless!

Why give us AWD with an 8 speed auto and make the engine gutless below 3000-3500K RPM?
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I'm hoping it's just a tuning "quirk" of the X3M and that the G80 has much less lag. I haven't driven X3M, personally, but from what I hear that low-end lag is turrible lol
Unfortunately the lag becomes worse with a tune. Check out some of the dyno logs on the X3/4M forums. Car is making 550+WHP and still has almsot zero power under 3-3.5K RPM.

Per the logs, it actually became less powerful on the low end. It's an AWD SUV (SAV whatever)!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most people...in fact 99% of people who buy this are going to be daily driving it. Where is the low end torque?!

My 135i, X1 35i, two F80's all had that delicious low end torque. In fact, full torque from 1200-1500RPM. The only downfall was traction as they were RWD (minus the X1).

So now I got the AWD, plus ZF Auto (no DCT delay) and BMW took away the TORQUE

Should have got a TrackHawk like I was originally planning. Rant/
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Where is the low end torque?!
Over in the X3 M40i
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Unfortunately the lag becomes worse with a tune. Check out some of the dyno logs on the X3/4M forums. Car is making 550+WHP and still has almsot zero power under 3-3.5K RPM.

Per the logs, it actually became less powerful on the low end. It's an AWD SUV (SAV whatever)!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most people...in fact 99% of people who buy this are going to be daily driving it. Where is the low end torque?!

My 135i, X1 35i, two F80's all had that delicious low end torque. In fact, full torque from 1200-1500RPM. The only downfall was traction as they were RWD (minus the X1).

So now I got the AWD, plus ZF Auto (no DCT delay) and BMW took away the TORQUE

Should have got a TrackHawk like I was originally planning. Rant/
Damn I need to go test one out. The S55 was Awesome imo and traction was always more of an issue than any lag. Test driving customer cars after installing a tune I really feel the difference of the electric motor.
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Unfortunately the lag becomes worse with a tune. Check out some of the dyno logs on the X3/4M forums. Car is making 550+WHP and still has almsot zero power under 3-3.5K RPM.

Per the logs, it actually became less powerful on the low end. It's an AWD SUV (SAV whatever)!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most people...in fact 99% of people who buy this are going to be daily driving it. Where is the low end torque?!

My 135i, X1 35i, two F80's all had that delicious low end torque. In fact, full torque from 1200-1500RPM. The only downfall was traction as they were RWD (minus the X1).

So now I got the AWD, plus ZF Auto (no DCT delay) and BMW took away the TORQUE

Should have got a TrackHawk like I was originally planning. Rant/
That’s old school like my ‘03 Wrx used to be and like my ‘03 911 turbo is!

But I guess in a 16 year old Porsche you can excuse it as old school cool but in a new performance truck it’s just a WTF move.

Maybe someone at bmw was told to tune a “competition motor” but wasn’t told it would go into an suv. Lol. That power deliver in a rwd 3500lb car would be ok because there isn’t so much pork to move at low speed, and the massive top end is drool worthy.

My $0.02, get a base model cherokee as your truck and funnel all your money to get a 2 seats all out car that traps 135-140
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