06-29-2016, 04:47 AM | #67 |
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surely an essex boys car is not complete unless it upsets old people and needs throttle management when passing plod!
to pinch a quote from Nick murrays new video a car is fast enough when you can drive it at its limit on public roads (ok maybe not legally) but on an empty B road (closed to public traffic of course) i can usually flat out my M4 to 100 mph without too much drama, another 20% would be nice and still usable. he was talking about his new 911 purchase and said a GT4 for him is pointless as he could never use the full power and it would be frustrating driving at 50% all the time. he likes to work his cars and really squeeze every ounce of power out of them hence he is looking at carrera s instead. I do see his point if its mainly for road use. back to the MPE shelling out that sort of cash would be better spent on noise that you can appreciate every day than an ACS tune that will as you say only add a small percentage to the power, plus if its making more noise then the butt dyno says your going faster
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I love the looks and driving feel I get from the M3 so just a few minor tweaks and improvements in sound, theatre and mid range torque would make it perfect. i'm going to open up my mind again to the MPE as that made such a difference in fun factor when I had my M135 with MPE, that made me and the kids laugh out load so many times with it's pops, bangs and crackles . Have you looked deeper into a JB4 or other tune? have you heard any horror stories about blown engines/trannies and other expensive parts that BMW wont cover if a tune is in place? our US friends tune pretty much all their cars and I haven't read anything yet about problems with their cars post tune...
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06-29-2016, 05:17 AM | #69 | |
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Ive looked into JB4 bang for buck its 100% the best option to add and no i havent heard any horror stories about blown engines etc but im the kind of person that tends to be a pioneer in anything that can go wrong - does. i cant help remember the Noble M12 i bought for 24K when i was 21, drove it for 3 years over 40,000 miles and spent almost another 20K fixing it. i drove it to its limits all the time and broke something or other pretty much every month. including engine, diff, gearbox, 8 (yes 8) exhaust manifolds and both turbos lol i moved to BMW because i knew i could abuse it and it would all be covered under warrenty. there is a myth going round that you can simply remove the plug in tune for service or if something breaks but these cars log everything. its pretty simple for a BMW tech to notice that the boost pressure was above the maximum oem limit when whatever damage occurred meaning it had a tune at the time. i dont think im brave enough to take the financial gamble
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06-29-2016, 05:21 AM | #70 |
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It's weird though as sometimes it feels really quick and quite thrilling, but other times it's just not??
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06-29-2016, 06:30 AM | #71 |
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Turn TC fully off and learn to drive it without - if you want scary.
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06-29-2016, 06:32 AM | #72 |
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And this is something you have only just realised. I'd like more power but equally I can't justify 3.5k as much as I love all things ACS. That's just too much.
A wallop of torque would really help things though, especially on the motorway - get a bit fed up of having to drop 2 gears....
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have you tried this yet is your new whip Andy? have you felt her bite you yet?
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I used to drive all the time on Drive/auto in the 335d, and it would drop a gear if it needed to for overtaking.
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my mates think i'm mad wanting to mod and spend money on the M3 instead of the Porsche. but I feel I need and want to mod the M3 more than the TTS...
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Okay and there is the fact that all safety nets are taken away so you have to treat the car with utmost respect. Clearly that's only in the dry. Wet is MDM all they way...
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Be nice when I get the RIS done to give it some beans - if I can wait that long!
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I haven't even contemplated activating MDM. Is there a benefit in doing so on public roads? I mean it sounds great but there isn't much room on our roads and I don't even want to get close to a kerb or grass verge - much happier in the middle of the road.
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To answer you question, MDM on the later cars is a lot more restrictive than it used to be. Old MDM used to give you a fair slip angle before it decided to help out. It WAS possible being a dumbass to spin. BMW clearly felt that they needed to reign it in and have done so. My test last week showed that the standard car is a bit looser than the CP and a stab of the throttle in MDM in the dry could provoke oversteer at roundabout. In the CP, it was almost nonexistant. Now what MDM will do is allow to diff to come into effect a lot more rather than quelling power. So you make progress forwards at a quicker rate but you have to accept there could be some corrective slip to deal with. Can you spin in MDM mode still? I managed at Bedford but I had to really upset the car moving from left to right hander at about 80mph and be unrealistically dumb. Now move things to the wet and will MDM save you? It will save you looking a muppet and swapping ends immediately (which with DSC off, it's very easy to do). But no question you have to treat the car with respect. It will let you 'explore' the car more. Don't think it'll stop you fishtailing down a wet road if you are careless with the throttle. BUT it starts to open up the chassis and expose just how lovely the car can be without being reigned in. DSC off is very different and I use it more sparingly but it's monstrous in the dry, especially on the CP. Now there is a question for stating that one shouldn't be driving at those kind of speeds in this car on HM Highways to find the difference. I actually couldn't disagree more. Point is it's not about straight line blat and neither is it about driving everywhere sideways, it's about feeling the car and this can be done at lower speeds without endangering anyone (including your shiny new toy!!). Anyway. My point is three fold. No. 1 - don't go playing with MDM until you really know the car and preferably find somewhere off the road to first play with it. No. 2 - yes, the car is great once you start to release the electronic nannies but you have to accept that with that comes responsibility. Back to the good old days of learning to modulate your right foot. AND most importantly No. 3 - don't let any of this banter or anything that people say goad/encourage you into trying these out without first learning.
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Thanks for the thorough reply, gtsussex.
I'm sure most of us learned to drive without even ABS so it makes sense to try and enjoy the car without all these gadgets but then a M3 is nothing like those 80s/90s cars. It's just surprising to read on forums how people have set MDM in either M1 or M2 as if it is something used often. Off to find a car park now... Edit: On second thoughts, off to find an airfield now... Last edited by notused; 06-29-2016 at 10:30 AM.. |
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Airfield is a good call. I am sure plenty (including me) would benefit (and enjoy) an airfield day with some instruction. You can never have enough instruction...
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Anyway Guy, wheres this video you were going to make on last weeks fun and games with that yellow M3?
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Been a little busy with work up to this afternoon. Got one for RS suspension to do as well...
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I have seen this Paulwelder knocking around on the socials and was very interested in his mod. what's your experience of the whole thing
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So you got the RS suspension on? I must of missed that.
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