M3/M4 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Buddy just bought a CPO 2017 Audi RS7 - gorgeous car.

We had a few runs, both from a dig and rolling. Close, but I pulled slightly every time.

Is his a Performance model on the RS7? Those has 605HP TT V8's.

How close were the rolls?

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Is his a Performance model?

Nope.

Originally Posted by doberzus

How close were the rolls?

Close - very close.

I drove it and it sounds fantastic (sports exhaust). It's just a bit softer all the way around than the Model 3P.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by e36clubracer

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Again, Tesla is a software company. They ship things before they're fully ready and then spend the product lifecycle fixing things that should have been sorted from day one.

My 2015 f80 dct had clunking noise when going into reverse from the diff, and at low speeds the dct sometimes got confused (in d gearbox mode, econ chassis setting) and the AC froze up and became non functional on my first cross country drive.

For my ‘18 model 3, there were times the screen just went blank, and the door shutlines and some door trim needed to be redone.

Neither was perfect! It’s just how cars are sometimes...

[e36clubracer]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

My 2015 f80 dct had clunking noise when going into reverse from the diff, and at low speeds the dct sometimes got confused (in d gearbox mode, econ chassis setting) and the AC froze up and became non functional on my first cross country drive.

For my ‘18 model 3, there were times the screen just went blank, and the door shutlines and some door trim needed to be redone.

Neither was perfect! It’s just how cars are sometimes...

I know you're a Tesla fanatic so you easily dismiss their shortcomings.

I'll never say BMW is perfect and they have plenty of issues. But you're comparing mechanical issues after the fact vs. things that easily should have been seen with a simple visual inspection. Tesla's QC process is likely non existent, probably to cut costs and knowing their customers don't know or don't care.

Let's be honest most people are not aware of the issues and when they are it's hard to get fixed or they just deal with it.

[techlogik]

When I can basically recharge an electrical vehicle in 3 minutes, like a has engine car, and be on my way pretty much anywhere you drive...maybe interested a little since I commute 22k miles a year.

Otherwise....no thanks to electric. Drove a Lexus CT200h for 1yr, great gas mileage and had hybrid setup but a complete dog for acceleration. Simple commuter vehicle to gas miser around. Brakes lasted forever and was bomb proof that little thing though. And no rattles.

[AWE46M3]

Just picked mine up. The Tesla is fast af but the m4cs is still the car that puts a smile on my face. The Tesla does have major QC issues but most people buying the car are buying it for the technology.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by AWE46M3

...The Tesla does have major QC issues...

That sucks. Why did you accept it, then?

Mine had zero issues at delivery and has been flawless in 13K miles.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by e36clubracer

I know you're a Tesla fanatic so you easily dismiss their shortcomings.

I'll never say BMW is perfect and they have plenty of issues. But you're comparing mechanical issues after the fact vs. things that easily should have been seen with a simple visual inspection. Tesla's QC process is likely non existent, probably to cut costs and knowing their customers don't know or don't care.

Let's be honest most people are not aware of the issues and when they are it's hard to get fixed or they just deal with it.

That’s true, what you can excuse depends on how you feel about the car and brand overall.

I tend to like my cars a lot so I didn’t get bothered by the things I noted on either my model 3 or F80.

If you think I’m a Tesla fan because I don’t complain about some door gaps at delivery, just wait until you hear about the kind of repair and maintenance costs I absorb for my Porsche and spec Miata. Lol.

[milk242]

Picking up my model 3 performance on Saturday. Will keep the M3 until I find the right Gen 2 R8 V10 plus or maybe will wait for the 992 turbos to be out so I can scoop up a 991.2 turbo s at a cheaper price.

I mostly bought the model 3 for the self driving technology and hope it matures to a point where it can drive me to places when I don't want to deal with traffic.

[BLU135i]

Pick up my Model 3 Performance tomorrow!!

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by e36clubracer

Andrew your experience with the car having crooked badges and marks on it are just the reason why Tesla is still a software company that makes cars. It's a joke that simple things like that are able to pass QC. Likely though there is limited to no QC....

The model3 interior is like a bad joke where they remove everything and tell you it's better that way, but in reality it was the cheapest and fastest way to get the car on the market. Honestly it's on par with the last gen Saturns.... But these days we are getting more used to mediocre quality so the Tesla's fit right in with that.

Again, Tesla is a software company. They ship things before they're fully ready and then spend the product lifecycle fixing things that should have been sorted from day one.

I love the car. The badge is slightly off by a few degrees but they are coming to my house to fix it. Not a huge deal honestly but yes that should not happen.

Other than that my paint is perfect I dont have any panel gap wind noise or anything else the early models suffered from. Tesla is listening and fixing issues as new models are released.

I cant say that for BMW my f80 m3 suffered from creaky windy seals that made the car sound like it was falling apart and was not fixed the life of the model. My 135 suffered from broken charge pipes 435 same thing. They all have issues

[wdskukm3]

I had issues with my Model 3 P. Door alignment was off, some minor paint issues, missing a couple of clips on the trim panels, etc. Just all minor stuff. But I fixed most of that myself. Tesla fixed the other warranty stuff like alignment and a minor clunking sound. Even with all that I still love the car. Always put a smile on my face just like my F80 M3 does. Both cars are great and both will have their issues.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by wdskukm3

I had issues with my Model 3 P. Door alignment was off, some minor paint issues, missing a couple of clips on the trim panels, etc. Just all minor stuff. But I fixed most of that myself. Tesla fixed the other warranty stuff like alignment and a minor clunking sound. Even with all that I still love the car. Always put a smile on my face just like my F80 M3 does. Both cars are great and both will have their issues.

Where was the clunking sound coming from?

[Humdizzle]

M3P and RS5 ran the exact same 1/4 mile. real world test...

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

M3P and RS5 ran the exact same 1/4 mile. real world test...

No one knows what SOC that M3P was at. After the last 5% power update 1/4 mile times have been in the 11.5s and 11.6s.

This makes no sense. My 2018 TTRS got destroyed by an M3P prior to the last 5% update. The lighter 2-door RS5 gets spanked by a stock TTRS. This is the heavier 5 door Sportback RS5.

Not to mention CarWow already ran an M3P prior to the last 5% update and ran an 11.8 and the RS4 in that same race ran a 12.1. Something is off for sure...

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by e36clubracer

I'll never say BMW is perfect and they have plenty of issues. But you're comparing mechanical issues after the fact vs. things that easily should have been seen with a simple visual inspection. Tesla's QC process is likely non existent, probably to cut costs and knowing their customers don't know or don't care.

You are blowing Tesla trim issues out of proportion.
Yes, some pieces used to be less than perfectly aligned on early cars, but it's all fluff stuff. Nothing that would detract from your driving experience and enjoyment.

Originally Posted by techlogik

When I can basically recharge an electrical vehicle in 3 minutes, like a has engine car, and be on my way pretty much anywhere you drive...maybe interested a little since I commute 22k miles a year.

I bought my first EV (i3) 5+ years ago as a commuter mule.
Ended up putting 32K miles on it during 2-year least cycle, or way more than I thought I would be able to fit into my lifestyle.
I hardly ever had to stop to charge it on the road - since its battery was always 100% full when I pulled out of my garage in the morning (plugged into L2 charger overnight). And the i3 only had 105 miles of range. Model 3P has batteries are good for 310 miles.

Run the $$ #s!
22K miles of annual commuting would save you ~ $3.5K/year on gas vs. electricity, over driving a bimmer.
In my case, savings covered the cost of the lease.
Can you say a free car!

Originally Posted by doberzus

No one knows what SOC that M3P was at. After the last 5% power update 1/4 mile times have been in the 11.5s and 11.6s. [...] Something is off for sure...

It doesn't really matter.

All comparisons to Tesla M3P always follow the same general script: TM3P leads off the line, then 500+ hp sedans eventually catch-up with it somewhere way north of 100+ mph.

On track, Tesla M3P can post extremely impressive times for a few hot laps (will beat F80 CS lap times), but once the battery levels drops below <80%, performance starts dropping off. Which is a fact of life if you rely on batteries for power, no point in complaining about it.

The bigger challenges for tracking Tesla M3P are its weight (~ 4,070 lbs), and the fact that one 30-minute track session will deplete the 75kWh battery by about 35-45%. So you can squeeze max 2 sessions out of the battery, but then need full recharge for the afternoon runs, and another one to drive home.

For all practical purposes, that means you need an Tesla Super-Charger in the paddock.
If you don't have one handy (or only have L2 chargers), you can't do max 2-3 sessions during one day (L2 charging time thrown in the middle). Not impossible, but definitely less than ideal.

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[SamS]

I picked up my Tesla Model 3 Performance 2 days ago. I have previously had an F80, as well as E92 M3.

From a “performance” standpoint, the Tesla blows both the M3s away. I do feel like the E92 M3 had a better balance, and of course the S65 was heaven. But these cars are worlds apart.

Although I’ve only had it a very short while, it seems impossible for me to go back to an ICE car for a daily driver, especially one with a turbo. You don’t get the performance of an BEV, and the sound is nothing special, and often plain bad.

AMA!

[No Boost]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-while-parked/

No loaner provided. Deal breaker IMO.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-while-parked/

No loaner provided. Deal breaker IMO.

Seems like their service network is sh*t. One area were the big brands will have the upper hand.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-while-parked/

No loaner provided. Deal breaker IMO.

That sucks.

Seems like not living in Ca affects the experience greatly.

I have personally gotten model S 75D as a service loaner (from enterprise, via a code given by Tesla service center), and my colleagues have as well.

There has also been “mobile service” coming to me for smaller things like sticking on the rear wing

[SflBimmer8484]

Filling up at work before running my first 0-60 @ 87 soc

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by afadeev

Run the $$ #s!
22K miles of annual commuting would save you ~ $3.5K/year on gas vs. electricity, over driving a bimmer.
In my case, savings covered the cost of the lease.
Can you say a free car!

I did the math and it makes no sense for me.

The cheapest tesla model 3 (base) lease is $19000 for 3 years and 30,000 miles. Plenty of used car options out there that will reliably, comfortably, and quietly get you from A to B without drama that would easily beat that out. And you get to keep your car at the end of 3 years.

For a model 3 performance, with FSD, 15k miles a year, its an eye watering $35k for 36 months. For not much more you could buy a F80 M3 AND KEEP IT after 3 years.

but yes new lease vs new lease. the tesla is attractive compared to the equivalent bmw.