Over MSRP?

[RealStig]

I would not pay MSRP for any car, just my 2 cents.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RealStig

I would not pay MSRP for any car, just my 2 cents.

It looked like in the lease thread you had come to terms w/ paying MSRP for the car. Did you end up getting a better deal?

[RealStig]

Originally Posted by dmk08

It looked like in the lease thread you had come to terms w/ paying MSRP for the car. Did you end up getting a better deal?

Yes I did

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RealStig

Yes I did

You were willing to pay MSRP at one point tho

The only deals I can get are loyalty and club. Oh well better than nothing.

[RealStig]

Originally Posted by dmk08

You were willing to pay MSRP at one point tho

The only deals I can get are loyalty and club. Oh well better than nothing.

I was but that changed when I realized I can actually buy my M3 at the end of the lease and make a profit on it as my residual is lower than the auction prices that these cars go for right now.

I still may not buy the car if the residuals actually turn out to be worse than the M5 residuals and start in high 40s low 50s. I was talking to another CA today who has been working in BMW dealerships for 15 years and he thinks that might happen. Now with that type of residual, not even invoice pricing will save you, the car will be ridiculously expensive, but I highly doubt it will happen. I don't think half the people who ordered the car would buy it in that case.

[tlp]

MSRP Pricing. Reason #56 not to buy the first year.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by tlp

MSRP Pricing. Reason #56 not to buy the first year.

What are the other 55 cause #56 doesn't bother me?

[RealStig]

Originally Posted by dmk08

What are the other 55 cause #56 doesn't bother me?

Forget about it. Enjoy the car, enjoy the anticipation, dont let anyone here ruin this for you. Be happy you are able to afford an M3 @ MSRP

[indus]

Originally Posted by RealStig

I was but that changed when I realized I can actually buy my M3 at the end of the lease and make a profit on it as my residual is lower than the auction prices that these cars go for right now.

I still may not buy the car if the residuals actually turn out to be worse than the M5 residuals and start in high 40s low 50s. I was talking to another CA today who has been working in BMW dealerships for 15 years and he thinks that might happen. Now with that type of residual, not even invoice pricing will save you, the car will be ridiculously expensive, but I highly doubt it will happen. I don't think half the people who ordered the car would buy it in that case.

Profit? You mean you will sell the car for more than you have paid for it?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RealStig

Forget about it. Enjoy the car, enjoy the anticipation, dont let anyone here ruin this for you. Be happy you are able to afford an M3 @ MSRP

I'm not worried just curious about other concerns people might have. I think if you can afford this car brand new at any point you can afford it at MSRP. It's are you willing to pay the first kid on the block tax. If the numbers end up too ludicrous I may not be willing to pay it but I'm optimistic for no good reason at this point. Hopefully with full MSDs I can get there.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by RealStig

I would not pay MSRP for any car, just my 2 cents.

lol yeah when I almost got the c7 they told me they were giving me a deal by not overcharging me msrp lmao f* that something on the m4... I told my SA I've boughten tons of cars I want below MSRP and 1st spot, or I'll just go get a turbo s lmao and I got it

Its principle for me really [not to mention the vast amount of competition in that range]. But everyone is different.

I've walked in my dealer and bought cars for asking and I've also haggled... After my m5 experience in both tanking value and not being thrilled with its detachedness I'm in a haggling mood.

[mpower3330]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I'm not worried just curious about other concerns people might have. I think if you can afford this car brand new at any point you can afford it at MSRP. It's are you willing to pay the first kid on the block tax. If the numbers end up too ludicrous I may not be willing to pay it but I'm optimistic for no good reason at this point. Hopefully with full MSDs I can get there.

I'd rather pay MSRP right now and get the car while it has years left in production. This will definitely lead to more financial loss on my part but I'm ok with that given I'm sick of my E46 and want a car NOW. I figure paying at MSRP is roughly costing me another $9K, not the end of the world if I keep the car 4-5 years (annual premium of roughly $2K).

[F9T]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

lol yeah when I almost got the c7 they told me they were giving me a deal by not overcharging me msrp lmao f* that something on the m4... I told my SA I've boughten tons of cars I want below MSRP and 1st spot, or I'll just go get a turbo s lmao and I got it

I would have gone with the Turbo S.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by infantrytroop22

I would have gone with the Turbo S.

Eh I'm eating at least 25k for a few months of fun with this m5 I'm in no rush to encounter that with a turbo S and they weren't too willing to move of a used one in my area.

The guy who bought the one in our area drove it for like 700 miles and brought it back he paid like 189 its listed at 166 so they probably offered him 130-160 lmao awful haha.

Originally Posted by indus

Profit? You mean you will sell the car for more than you have paid for it?

I could see this being close to true if the cars very in demand and you sell it early (I'm probably going to try that... Like with this m5, buy it enjoy it for 4-10 months and dump it, and hopefully it'll not nose dive like this m5 lol)

But really I'm just hoping to lose less than 10k unless this car is great like the m3 [biggest mistake of my life selling that]

[Np2014]

What is a realistic amount to expect off msrp in the second year of production for the M3 or M4? Here in Ohio they want $1500 over msrp for a first year M3.

[RealStig]

Originally Posted by Np2014

What is a realistic amount to expect off msrp in the second year of production for the M3 or M4? Here in Ohio they want $1500 over msrp for a first year M3.

That's a problem with states like Ohio where not many people can afford a BMW. They cannot make profit on volume so they are hitting people as much as they can because they know the ones who can afford an M3 won't have many choices. In states like NJ and NY there are BMW dealerships that are 5-6 miles apart from each other, they are everywhere! A car like M5 right now is going for invoice pricing for example (thats around 9-10k of savings over the course of the lease/finance).

You may never see invoice pricing where you live I'm afraid. Might want to check out David who sells BMWs over the internet, a lot of forum folks go through him. Problem with him his, he has a very long wait list.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by RealStig;*****334

That's a problem with states like Ohio where not many people can afford a BMW. They cannot make profit on volume so they are hitting people as much as they can because they know the ones who can afford an M3 won't have many choices. In states like NJ and NY there are BMW dealerships that are 5-6 miles apart from each other, they are everywhere! A car like M5 right now is going for invoice pricing for example (thats around 9-10k of savings over the course of the lease/finance).

You may never see invoice pricing where you live I'm afraid. Might want to check out David who sells BMWs over the internet, a lot of forum folks go through him. Problem with him his, he has a very long wait list.

good advice

also contact BMW of the woodlands here in texas, they are offering at MSRP and im sure would transport to you. or provide you a competitive offer you can go to your dealer with

also, greg Poland at (iirc) pacific bmw is like david Aviles and does a lot of business across the country and has good prices

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers;*****740

good advice

also contact BMW of the woodlands here in texas, they are offering at MSRP and im sure would transport to you. or provide you a competitive offer you can go to your dealer with

also, greg Poland at (iirc) pacific bmw is like david Aviles and does a lot of business across the country and has good prices

+1. There are also a couple of good board sponsor dealers over at Bimmerfest as well that can sell at MSRP or lower. A couple in California, one in Atlanta, and another on the East Coast I believe. Can't remember all their names but just check the Ask-A-Dealer section and you'll see them.

As mentioned before David from Steve Thomas is a great guy but his success shows it and he currently has about a year wait list right now for the M3/M4s!

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Np2014

What is a realistic amount to expect off msrp in the second year of production for the M3 or M4? Here in Ohio they want $1500 over msrp for a first year M3.

You seem interested in buying a car sometime in the future. That's fine, except if you convey that impression to the CA, he's not going to think your a serious customer. When that happens, he's as likely as not going to tell you anything (politely, of course) to to get rid of you and get on to a more serious buyer. Even things like: "it's 1.5k over."
One thing you have which they want is your money. You have to convince them you're willing to risk it for the car you want at the price you want to pay. Establish a fair price for the car (7% off base MSRP if that suits you), write them a check, and see to it the Sales Manager gets it. Establish yourself as "in the game." Even though they may have a list of potential buyers, they also know some of those will evaporate when it's pay up time.
Look outside Ohio for small dealers,too.

[Np2014]

I agree they are price gouging on all new M models here in Ohio and even Audi RS models. I dont mind waiting a year for a new M3 or M4 so all the bugs in the first year production are resolved. In your experience what is a realistic amount off msrp to expect for a second year production M3 or M4 when I call around to out of state dealers is $2k off being to aggressive? When the previous generation M3 was released how much were some getting off msrp in the second year of production? I just joined so hopefully its alright to ask this on the forum since I am new to the M world.

[Slow///1]

Local dealership offering ED MSRP - discount (tbd). Only 2 bmw's purchased from them prior...