M3/M4 to Get Steel Driveshafts Beginning Nov. 2017. Sales top 68,000 to date.

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by Graves

Any other dealers where? I ordered my car from a German dealer that is in Germany through a military only sales program. So honestly, yes I believe what he says. But if you don't, no worries. Call around and see what you can get. Either way, mine can't be built until January because I don't arrive into Germany until March of 2018.

I'm not trying to insult you. I've had my M3 for 1.5 years. My point is that I would put nothing past a dealer and that they usually know less than the purchasers do about these cars. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he or she made that up to get your order in sooner and secure the money.

Can your military program been done through another dealer? Why does it have to be that one?

[Graves]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

I'm not trying to insult you. I've had my M3 for 1.5 years. My point is that I would put nothing past a dealer and that they usually know less than the purchasers do about these cars. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he or she made that up to get your order in sooner and secure the money.

Can your military program been done through another dealer? Why does it have to be that one?

Sorry for coming off as a dick. I can't switch dealers because the government and this dealer have an exclusive contract if you will. Through this program I get the following:

10% off of MSRP
Pay no U.S. or German taxes
Free delivery

So between the 10% off and no taxes I saved around $15,000. So I could use a different dealer but I won't get this kind of deal. I can't do the order sooner because they can't hold the car for 6 months until I get to Germany in March. Beggars can't be choosers right? Lol, so I'll just deal with the steel DS or wait for one of y'all to wreck so I can buy yours.

[al_bundy]

Hi all,

I have a desperation question. When we read the first line of the original report on page one, it reads:

"From November 2017 onwards, the CFRP driveshaft in the BMW M3 Sedan, BMW M4 Coupe and BMW M4 Convertible high-performance sports cars will be gradually replaced by an M specific high-performance driveshaft made of steel."

The word "gradually" would seem to suggest there is a chance for earlier orders starting November 2017 production may still get the CF shaft. Now I know most people said the switch will be on/off and that the people from Deutschland are very precise in what they do. But would anyone think we should try gamble by still tucking in an order as early as we can?

[gatorfast]

Personally I would be embarrassed to drive an M3 without a CF driveshaft. May as well be a Pontiac Aztec at that point.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by al_bundy

Hi all,

I have a desperation question. When we read the first line of the original report on page one, it reads:

"From November 2017 onwards, the CFRP driveshaft in the BMW M3 Sedan, BMW M4 Coupe and BMW M4 Convertible high-performance sports cars will be gradually replaced by an M specific high-performance driveshaft made of steel."

The word "gradually" would seem to suggest there is a chance for earlier orders starting November 2017 production may still get the CF shaft. Now I know most people said the switch will be on/off and that the people from Deutschland are very precise in what they do. But would anyone think we should try gamble by still tucking in an order as early as we can?

This was discussed a couple pages back. But yes, the early the more likely you will get CF but without understanding the implementation plan in more detail it could be a toss up after November

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Personally I would be embarrassed to drive an M3 without a CF driveshaft. May as well be a Pontiac Aztec at that point.

Azteks are cool now
https://www.autotrader.com/car-video...of-cool-268169

[dinonz]

Originally Posted by pheerlx

Azteks are cool now
https://www.autotrader.com/car-video...of-cool-268169

My first thought is "the author owns one and is trying to hype up the piece of shit in the hope of selling it to some prize fool for more than $50".

[Yoddha]

Originally Posted by kepler

Never feels good to get shafted.

Nailed it

[Sassicaia]

Any of the new cars without the CF drive shaft should have the "M3" emblem in lower case "m3".

[Motodude310]

Yikes, driveshaft is $2,700. Still probably worth it to swap it out at some point though. Mine will for sure have the steel piece. I just hope it's a direct/easy swap.

[01ON19]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Thanks for sharing.

The article also mention that the CFRP driveshaft is maintained in the CS due to the higher torque rating of the engine implying that the steel one is not quite as strong. Interesting.

So, no petrol particulate filter (PPF) in CS?

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Being BMW, shouldn't the CF driveshaft at least be an option or part of Executive package? I mean rear view camera being standard now something's gotta be bundled into a $5000 package.

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by pheerlx

Being BMW, shouldn't the CF driveshaft at least be an option or part of Executive package? I mean rear view camera being standard now something's gotta be bundled into a $5000 package.

There's a need for the switch. It's not an option.

[rakusak]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

Any of the new cars without the CF drive shaft should have the "M3" emblem in lower case "m3".

Actually they should add a few more M badges on the car to compensate for the lack of the CF shaft, in CF.

Better yet, they should replace steel body panels for CF... you know where this is going... carbon fiber monocoque, yes, please!

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The article also mention that the CFRP driveshaft is maintained in the CS due to the higher torque rating of the engine implying that the steel one is not quite as strong. Interesting.

There's weird shit here ... so BMW will continue to manufacture and install the CF driveshaft which would somewhat imply costs go UP: lower part volume, different manufacturing process, etc

So it also could imply a few other things:

1. The CF-shaft cars are more costly to build
2. The CF-shaft cars are slightly lighter
3. The CF-shaft cars are slightly more responsive
4. The CF-shaft cars have better marketing and bragging
5. M cars are "unbundling": many more config options, much more nebulous performance expectation

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Personally I would be embarrassed to drive an M3 without a CF driveshaft. May as well be a Pontiac Aztec at that point.

Can you imagine paying for an M car with no carbon drive shaft and no CP????

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Kanuck

So, no petrol particulate filter (PPF) in CS?

They mention in the article that due to the low production volumes it is not required

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

There's weird shit here ... so BMW will continue to manufacture and install the CF driveshaft which would somewhat imply costs go UP: lower part volume, different manufacturing process, etc

So it also could imply a few other things:

1. The CF-shaft cars are more costly to build
2. The CF-shaft cars are slightly lighter
3. The CF-shaft cars are slightly more responsive
4. The CF-shaft cars have better marketing and bragging
5. M cars are "unbundling": many more config options, much more nebulous performance expectation

Should we clear up some lingering questions once and for all; including the bedplate modification?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Should we clear up some lingering questions once and for all; including the bedplate modification?

Please! Drop the knowledge bombs, I'll get my goggles.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

There's weird shit here ... so BMW will continue to manufacture and install the CF driveshaft which would somewhat imply costs go UP: lower part volume, different manufacturing process, etc

So it also could imply a few other things:

1. The CF-shaft cars are more costly to build
2. The CF-shaft cars are slightly lighter
3. The CF-shaft cars are slightly more responsive
4. The CF-shaft cars have better marketing and bragging
5. M cars are "unbundling": many more config options, much more nebulous performance expectation

The fact that the CS will retain the CFRP driveshaft is not new news, it is mentioned in the OP and press release. The interesting new info stated in the article is the reason why it is maintaining it.

[teemolovesm4]

Honestly it's probably the production of steel shaft is cheaper than carbon fiber, BMW just wanna save some money. who knows right?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Please! Drop the knowledge bombs, I'll get my goggles.

She's a squirter???



How about I dictate, make the popcorn, and some G&T's while you (or anyone who wants to volunteer) type?

[Who's on first]

I?ll swap my CF driveshaft, to one of your loser, less than Civic M3/4?s, for the small fee of.... um... $5,756.75.


So... we need a new term for an F8x, Non-CP, Non-CF Driveshaft.


Truly bottom of the barrel.

Fit M3/4?
Prius M3/4?
Fiesta M3/4?