proTUNING Freaks
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > M3/M4 versus...

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-18-2021, 12:14 PM   #2091
dmk08
Gone Fishin’
dmk08's Avatar
United_States
7318
Rep
12,125
Posts

Drives: Walks
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (19)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaMMM View Post
Damn, that is a bummer. I've been eyeing E46's.

Miss my E39 still, almost a decade later. Best long-range car I've ever experienced.
Im looking at 997.2 C2S manuals now. I almost bought one last year and would have made 10k already.
Appreciate 2
FormulaMMM3662.50
stein_325i25083.00
      01-18-2021, 12:19 PM   #2092
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
Meh I remember the turbo 6 being the “wait and see” portion of the F80 release. Don't remember to many that were excited for it back in 2014.

Would have been a near perfect car with a 500hp high revving V8 instead of the fartcan 6.
This is spot on. After the issues with the N54 HPFP reliability, it was definitely a wait and see situation with the S55. But once the reviews poured in and the ORGANIC technical videos with Biermann giving racing insight into the development of the chasis and systems, you had to line up for an allocation or scour dealers online for one.
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2021, 01:30 PM   #2093
minn19
Lieutenant General
minn19's Avatar
14038
Rep
10,080
Posts

Drives: 24 Z06, 23 CT4VBW, 22 PFinder
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Minnesota

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcades View Post
Wasn't the F8x forum side far more active when the car was first announced?

This is definitely not a good look for BMW and they don't seem to realize it yet. Wonder how long they will be oblivious to it.
I joined here back then when I got my 15 F80. There was a ton more interest mostly good and some bad. The V8 vs I6 turbo war was massive, but nobody said the car ugly. Some may have said they liked the E90 better, but that was a small minority. Everyone applauded the weight loss and most thought the technical aspects were very impressive. The cooling, use of CF in the driveshaft/strut tower brace etc etc.

Last edited by minn19; 01-18-2021 at 01:44 PM..
Appreciate 7
stein_325i25083.00
FormulaMMM3662.50
MFNATIK3498.00
RugbyBro7601.50
dmk087318.00
F32Fleet3576.00
      01-18-2021, 01:59 PM   #2094
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by minn19 View Post
I joined here back then when I got my 15 F80. There was a ton more interest mostly good and some bad. The V8 vs I6 turbo war was massive, but nobody said the car ugly. Some may have said they liked the E90 better, but that was a small minority. Everyone applauded the weight loss and most thought the technical aspects were very impressive. The cooling, use of CF in the driveshaft/strut tower brace etc etc.
I too joined in anticipation of the F80 and enjoyed the great discussions then. Unlike the V8 guys, I welcomed the return of the I6 and FI for its low end torque and increased efficiency (after the E60 M5, I needed a car that didn't need a fill up after 150 miles of hard driving).The G8X on the other hand is really a stark contrast to the F8X launch with its controversial style, lack of technical improvements, seriously unhinged marketing, and heavy hand with forum censor is just sad.

The only hit on the F8X front end at the time was some folks not liking the labia lips in the side intake pickups. Pretty minor gripe since it is fairly easy to black them out tho very few do this, meaning it's not an eye sore or issue with the majority of people. My only dislike of the F30/F8X generation is the curved cutout of the passenger side of the dash. That was it. Thankfully I'm the driver and I've learned to not care about it b/c everything else just is so damn good.
Appreciate 4
minn1914037.50
FormulaMMM3662.50
RugbyBro7601.50
alex23642875.00
      01-18-2021, 03:39 PM   #2095
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Fellas - I don't know what this forum has become but its not good. Looks like a long time fellow member has been permanently banned for voicing his opinion about the G8X. ///M4ster Yoda just PM'd me and ask to wish you all well and say his goodbyes as he can no longer post even from a different handle. What a real shame that mods are banning long time contributors to this forum over our displeasure with the G8X generation.

Yoda - if you're out there. I tried to PM you back but apparently you are blocked from receiving any PMs as well. WOW. I guess with the sudden shift to please the Chinese markets, zee Germans have capitulated and have resorted to authoritarian censoring tactics. I'll probably be banned for posting this but at this rate, they no longer value long standing members and are looking to roll out the red carpet for the ///Kith generation.
Appreciate 11
stein_325i25083.00
RugbyBro7601.50
dmk087318.00
six75LT916.50
GERMAN M34182.00
DDD311649.00
FormulaMMM3662.50
GrussGott18183.50
agentrnge382.00
      01-18-2021, 03:48 PM   #2096
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stein_325i View Post
Shame to see Yoda go, another member who's name I forget that was a part of this thread was also permanently banned. I'm sure our posts mentioning them will disappear like the other ones have.
Well, if I stop posting all of a sudden then you guys know why. If it happens, its been fun talking to you guys. I'll miss the camaraderie and sharing of knowledge tho if it happens.
Appreciate 3
      01-18-2021, 03:54 PM   #2097
FlyingLow78
The G8X is a disaster. 🤮
931
Rep
988
Posts

Drives: Not a BMW anymore
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Europe

iTrader: (3)

I had a 2011 E92 and there seemed to be too many compromises in the name of performance. E90s were no longer being produced when I bought mine. Mine came with a manual transmission that I hated, the fuel economy was horrendous, the doors were too long, the car required special oil which meant dealership visits, and on track the oil temperatures got quite high. I dumped the car in 2012 for close to what I paid for it.

Lo and behold, in 2014 the F80 shows up on my radar. It had four-door practicality, I could spec it with a DCT this time, more torque, better fuel economy, lighter weight, perfect ergonomics for my body type, and I opted for European delivery which made the whole event very special. Being able to work on it myself with resources like realoem.com and TISonline really increased my knowledge and comfort level with the car.

Now with the G80, it appears all I’d have to look forward to is more horsepower from an arguably excellent engine, radar guided cruise, and digital gauges. No euro delivery, no DCT (manual purists might be ok), more weight, and it’s not an attractive car because the defining hallmarks have been eliminated in favor of gaudy trinkets. They didn’t even get rid of ASD, which means they still haven’t sorted out the exhaust note. It’s a leap too far. BMW has taken actions to block websites like realoem and TISonline as well to force us back into the dealership experience.

I don’t want this thread to just be a hater echo chamber. I’d rather it identify concrete failures with a combined voice to somehow let BMW know we don’t like what they’re offering, and no amount of forcing or disruptive social media posts is going to get us to drop $70K+ for this. I can only downvote and submit negative reviews on their stuff so many times before I just have to wash my hands of all of this and go somewhere with some positivity.

Why must so many things ebb and flow based on collective policy decisions? Cars are like politics and sports - just when things are starting to go right they start to go wrong. Merc, Lexus, Audi, and now BMW have all gone to large grilles. BMW and Merc had been locked in a battle to see who could sell the most cars for the past few years. I hope Merc waxes the floor with BMW this year.

Edit: It sucks to see members being banned, but mods are allowing us to have our civil discussions here. If they want us to stay out of the G8X subforums, then I’m happy to do so. Not a lot for me to like over there. I would hope warnings are dispensed before outright bans, and I’m curious what was said so the rest of us know where the line has been drawn.

Last edited by FlyingLow78; 01-18-2021 at 04:00 PM..
Appreciate 5
MFNATIK3498.00
stein_325i25083.00
RugbyBro7601.50
DDD311649.00
      01-18-2021, 03:54 PM   #2098
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

BTW stein_325i Looks like they proved you right hahaha
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2021, 03:59 PM   #2099
stein_325i
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
stein_325i's Avatar
No_Country
25083
Rep
8,762
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: All-Around

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MFNATIK View Post
BTW stein_325i Looks like they proved you right hahaha
I actually deleted it myself lol, just in case mods want to come after me. Last two times I mentioned them they deleted it so I thought I'd play it safe this time. Although I guess I contradicted my point with this post
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2021, 04:00 PM   #2100
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stein_325i View Post
I actually deleted it myself lol, just in case mods want to come after me. Last two times I mentioned them they deleted it so I thought I'd play it safe this time. Although I guess I contradicted my point with this post
LOL I thought they were onto you hahahahah
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2021, 04:02 PM   #2101
stein_325i
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
stein_325i's Avatar
No_Country
25083
Rep
8,762
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: All-Around

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MFNATIK View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by stein_325i View Post
I actually deleted it myself lol, just in case mods want to come after me. Last two times I mentioned them they deleted it so I thought I'd play it safe this time. Although I guess I contradicted my point with this post
LOL I thought they were onto you hahahahah
Nah, I like this forum too much to be banned, MBWorld is too quiet for me
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300
Appreciate 1
GERMAN M34182.00
      01-18-2021, 04:05 PM   #2102
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stein_325i View Post
Nah, I like this forum too much to be banned, MBWorld is too quiet for me
God, you haven't been to the Tesla forums. That place is just of a bunch of wannabe car enthusiasts. Its more like a forum for cell phones than a car forum. They always get butt hurt when I tell them to stop calling their Model 3s "M3's".

What I think we all like are the people who have contributed to this forum over the years. Its what makes the forum great. Look at what happened to Bimmerfest. Once Jon sold it its taken a huge dump b/c all the long time posters have moved on. Even the actual bimmerfest even is no longer the same as it doesn't feel organic like the past when it didn't feel like a money grab from the time you pulled into the parking lot.
Appreciate 3
RugbyBro7601.50
stein_325i25083.00
AD18350.50
      01-18-2021, 04:22 PM   #2103
AD18
Lieutenant
United Kingdom
351
Rep
521
Posts

Drives: Azurite Black E92 335i DCT
Join Date: May 2015
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MFNATIK View Post
Looks like a long time fellow member has been permanently banned for voicing his opinion about the G8X. @[///M4ster Yoda]
Damn! Didn't realise it was this bad, we're loosing good men by the day!
Appreciate 2
      01-18-2021, 04:28 PM   #2104
stein_325i
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
stein_325i's Avatar
No_Country
25083
Rep
8,762
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: All-Around

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MFNATIK View Post
God, you haven't been to the Tesla forums. That place is just of a bunch of wannabe car enthusiasts. Its more like a forum for cell phones than a car forum. They always get butt hurt when I tell them to stop calling their Model 3s "M3's".

What I think we all like are the people who have contributed to this forum over the years. Its what makes the forum great. Look at what happened to Bimmerfest. Once Jon sold it its taken a huge dump b/c all the long time posters have moved on. Even the actual bimmerfest even is no longer the same as it doesn't feel organic like the past when it didn't feel like a money grab from the time you pulled into the parking lot.
Haha, the Tesla forums are pure comedy. I've browsed there occasionally as I believe it use to be that you had to have a Tesla vehicle for an account to post (although that may have changed), but there is so much drama there. Make one critical comment and everyone prepares for war against you. I actually like Tesla's, but I feel if I made one comment about another vehicle or a critique towards Tesla I'd be compared to the likes of a troll. I remember when the Taycan came out I looked at the Model S forum, so many blinded fanboys would make sure to use its range against any area that it bested the Model S in, and wouldn't listen to anyone who said anything good about the Taycan at all. And yes, calling a Model 3 an M3 annoys the s*** out of me, I hate it so much. I believe they recently changed the design and layout of the forums and its become so much uglier and unorganized making it difficult to read easily, I much prefer BP's layout to any of the other forums except maybe the Taycan forum which is decent.
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2021, 04:42 PM   #2105
swagon
Major General
swagon's Avatar
No_Country
13524
Rep
8,165
Posts

Drives: F80 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: .

iTrader: (0)

This little SoCal lifestyle company called Garagewelt making skate decks and apparel is better at creating BMW advertisements than BMW itself. I love their short edits; vintage racing videos or just stock footage pulled from the BMW archives overlaid with music and retro effects that are very popular amongst younger people like me nowadays.


(just ignore the S85 cameo ).

This has got so much more "///M" and car enthusiast energy in it than most new car ads out there and certainly those from BMW. Ad showing an M3 go around a track: simple. Simple = better.

But this is a German corporate so it is natural they would go for dancing monkeys and Drift Meter apps instead.
__________________
Appreciate 1
MFNATIK3498.00
      01-18-2021, 04:44 PM   #2106
dmk08
Gone Fishin’
dmk08's Avatar
United_States
7318
Rep
12,125
Posts

Drives: Walks
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (19)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MFNATIK View Post
Fellas - I don't know what this forum has become but its not good. Looks like a long time fellow member has been permanently banned for voicing his opinion about the G8X. ///M4ster Yoda just PM'd me and ask to wish you all well and say his goodbyes as he can no longer post even from a different handle. What a real shame that mods are banning long time contributors to this forum over our displeasure with the G8X generation.

Yoda - if you're out there. I tried to PM you back but apparently you are blocked from receiving any PMs as well. WOW. I guess with the sudden shift to please the Chinese markets, zee Germans have capitulated and have resorted to authoritarian censoring tactics. I'll probably be banned for posting this but at this rate, they no longer value long standing members and are looking to roll out the red carpet for the ///Kith generation.
Wow, Yoda and I barely agreed on anything except the G80 is ugly but man banning him completely is no bueno.
Appreciate 3
stein_325i25083.00
minn1914037.50
GERMAN M34182.00
      01-18-2021, 05:14 PM   #2107
secretanchitman
Banned
United_States
766
Rep
554
Posts

Drives: 2020 F82 M4 6MT
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by MFNATIK View Post
Fellas - I don't know what this forum has become but its not good. Looks like a long time fellow member has been permanently banned for voicing his opinion about the G8X. ///M4ster Yoda just PM'd me and ask to wish you all well and say his goodbyes as he can no longer post even from a different handle. What a real shame that mods are banning long time contributors to this forum over our displeasure with the G8X generation.

Yoda - if you're out there. I tried to PM you back but apparently you are blocked from receiving any PMs as well. WOW. I guess with the sudden shift to please the Chinese markets, zee Germans have capitulated and have resorted to authoritarian censoring tactics. I'll probably be banned for posting this but at this rate, they no longer value long standing members and are looking to roll out the red carpet for the ///Kith generation.
Wow. Just terrible to lose another good poster for having constructive criticism.

Yoda if you see this, it was good to see some methodical and well written posts from you! Hope the mods eventually let you back.
Appreciate 2
stein_325i25083.00
MFNATIK3498.00
      01-18-2021, 07:39 PM   #2108
Tflong24
Private First Class
Tflong24's Avatar
129
Rep
176
Posts

Drives: 2017 M3 30 Jahre
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Corpus Christi TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by secretanchitman View Post
Wow. Just terrible to lose another good poster for having constructive criticism.

Yoda if you see this, it was good to see some methodical and well written posts from you! Hope the mods eventually let you back.
Welcome to 2021. If you have an opinion opposite of the mainstream media, big tech and apparently big forum you are closed, cancelled or plain ol censored. Man this unity thing is not what I expected.
Appreciate 1
      01-18-2021, 07:54 PM   #2109
R N M
Colonel
R N M's Avatar
3633
Rep
2,051
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW M3  [0.00]
The reason that the G8x forums are so dead is bec they banned all the existing owners of F8x cars.

I personally have never seen something like this ever. It’s funny that BMW knew that this grill design language would be controversial so why get butthurt when longtime BMW owners get upset and want to voice their displeasure.

There is basically the same 10 ppl posting now in G8x forums and they still have more negatives from new members i guess than positive in regards to styling.

I was banned months ago without any warning. The funny thing is im actually considering getting the AWD model to replace our X3 M40i. So mods banned me, a long-standing member and current owner of 2 BMWs and exact consumer that new M3 is targeting. How does this make any sense??? 🤔
Appreciate 4
stein_325i25083.00
MFNATIK3498.00
AD18350.50
GrussGott18183.50
      01-18-2021, 10:42 PM   #2110
dmk08
Gone Fishin’
dmk08's Avatar
United_States
7318
Rep
12,125
Posts

Drives: Walks
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (19)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tflong24 View Post
Welcome to 2021. If you have an opinion opposite of the mainstream media, big tech and apparently big forum you are closed, cancelled or plain ol censored. Man this unity thing is not what I expected.
Really having to bite my tounge on this one. A certain side calling for unity now is laughable.
Appreciate 7
alex23642875.00
MFNATIK3498.00
minn1914037.50
stein_325i25083.00
GrussGott18183.50
      01-18-2021, 10:55 PM   #2111
doug_999
Brigadier General
doug_999's Avatar
2543
Rep
3,968
Posts

Drives: 2011 1M/2021 992/2023 X3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (0)

Honest question... why is everyone hanging out over there anyway?

I'm not a huge fan of the car (for many reasons) and therefore I have no real reason to head over there - unless I'm looking to cause trouble. But that's apparently just me?
__________________
2011 1M, Black loaded sans sat radio
2021 911 C4S Gentian Blue, manual
2023 X3 M40i - loaded sans Park Assist
Appreciate 0
      01-18-2021, 11:09 PM   #2112
MFNATIK
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
MFNATIK's Avatar
United_States
3498
Rep
3,729
Posts

Drives: Trek Domane
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Mexicali

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by doug_999 View Post
Honest question... why is everyone hanging out over there anyway?

I'm not a huge fan of the car (for many reasons) and therefore I have no real reason to head over there - unless I'm looking to cause trouble. But that's apparently just me?
Bimmerpost promotes a lot of the G8X posts to the FP so you can't help but take a peek at what is being posted. Its like car accident on the fwy, you can't help but rubberneck.
Appreciate 4
dmk087318.00
stein_325i25083.00
mahalom3163.00
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:07 PM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST