F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by dgp

Check current lease residuals for M3- all time high- as they are trying to move more of them vs. M4s.

You may want to check that inventory split thread below.

[solstice]

I would think the Comp. Pack is developed and ready to go. If the C63S turns out to dominate the F8X I would not be surprised if the launch is forwarded. Just as I think the N54 launch was forwarded as a response to the original Lexus IS. The gap in power on paper to the C63S is already significant and if the ring time and 1/4 mile has a big gap as well BMW might feel the need to respond.

It doesn't really matter to me but I think it would be nice the quicker it is out for people who has not bought yet.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You may want to check that inventory split thread below.

My guess is BMW forecasts more demand for the coupes (M4s) vs. the sedans (M3s) and therefore builds more of them. How could a manufacturer increase demand for a specific car if they wanted to build more units? Update it quicker (LCI, perhaps comp package), offer much higher residuals on leases to try to move people from M4s to M3s. In the end they will still sell more M4s, but perhaps they are trying to make the balance not so skewed towards one body style.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by solstice

I would think the Comp. Pack is developed and ready to go. If the C63S turns out to dominate the F8X I would not be surprised if the launch is forwarded. Just as I think the N54 launch was forwarded as a response to the original Lexus IS. The gap in power on paper to the C63S is already significant and if the ring time and 1/4 mile has a big gap as well BMW might feel the need to respond.

It doesn't really matter to me but I think it would be nice the quicker it is out for people who has not bought yet.

+1

Competition is good!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by dgp

Sales of M3s are lagging so perhaps a comp package will boost them for 2016. Usually whenever there are lots of rumors, there may be some truth behind 'em.

According to the GM of my dealer BMW wants the M3 to be more exclusive like the E90 4 doors and the E36 4 door. He even said he anticipates a shorter model run like how they stopped sedans after 2011.

M3 sales don't seem to be lagging that's M4 sales. My guy can't keep M3s on his lot unless they have sunroofs.

[RPiM5]

Reported on BMWBlog. They have been a pretty reliable source of information over the years. I wonder how much of a power bump the Comp Package will give. An extra 15hp will bring it up to around 445hp, I'm not sure that's going to be enough against the C63 AMG-S's 510hp. Can't wait to see the revised tail lights though!

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/03/04/20...drive-upgrade/

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

According to the GM of my dealer BMW wants the M3 to be more exclusive like the E90 4 doors and the E36 4 door. He even said he anticipates a shorter model run like how they stopped sedans after 2011.

M3 sales don't seem to be lagging that's M4 sales. My guy can't keep M3s on his lot unless they have sunroofs.

It is funny how that was completely the other way around with the E9X (at least it was in Canada).

In 2008, I was unable to get a decent discount (besides the basic $1~2k) on an ordered E92 M3. In the meantime, E90 M3 were just pilling up on dealer lots. My buddy ended buying an E90 M3 at $16k off MSRP at the end of the year. As tidbit, he ended up totaling his M3 2 years later and got more money from the insurance than what he paid 2 years earlier .

[8600RPM]

On my 2012 I opted for no competition package anyway and I wo b t miss it this time. I wouldn't want heavier 20s with less meaty tires and I love the current black 19s. J Don't Want My Car Any lower! Suspension and brakes are perfect. I have an ess tune so any power bump is of no use.

Comp pack only was meaningful for e46. Since then it's cosmetic really

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Reported on BMWBlog. They have been a pretty reliable source of information over the years. I wonder how much of a power bump the Comp Package will give. An extra 15hp will bring it up to around 445hp, I'm not sure that's going to be enough against the C63 AMG-S's 510hp. Can't wait to see the revised tail lights though!

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/03/04/20...drive-upgrade/

Thats what the original post is quoting.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

On my 2012 I opted for no competition package anyway and I wo b t miss it this time. I wouldn't want heavier 20s with less meaty tires and I love the current black 19s. J Don't Want My Car Any lower! Suspension and brakes are perfect. I have an ess tune so any power bump is of no use.

Comp pack only was meaningful for e46. Since then it's cosmetic really

Yeh to me its the suspension. I want my car lower and nothing is going to be more ride complaint vs a new OEM solution.

[Falafel Combo]

ZCP will coincide with the f82 LCI. Summer of 2016 SOP (2017 MY cars). It's been discussed many times before.

It's been very slow around here lately I see.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

ZCP will coincide with the f82 LCI. Summer of 2016 SOP (2017 MY cars). It's been discussed many times before.

It's been very slow around here lately I see.

Yeh that is what I have heard all along too but now bmw blog posted this and stirred it all up again. I would think releasing ZCP for the M3 and not the M4 now would just kill M4 sales even more....

[BD SM3RF]

Originally Posted by dgp

Check current lease residuals for M3- all time high- as they are trying to move more of them vs. M4s.

There is another explanation I think is more valid which is that M3 demand has been higher than anticipated which explains why so few M3s are on the lot. As a result they are more exclusive and may hold value better than the more plentiful M4s thus yielding a higher resale value in 36 months justifying the higher residual.

Residuals are sometime used to drive sales but more often than not they are designed to limit financial risk for BMWFS. They believe the M3 may hold more value in 36 months vs. M4

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Sounds like a simple sw update to me.

Unless it includes a switch from 3G to LTE.

[M4TW]

Perhaps they're getting out 20's earlier as a means of addressing traction complaints (wider tire and effectively taller gearing)?

Please say it's so!

[///M///]

How much more do the comp package M3's typically cost over the standard one? 8-10% of base price?

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by M4TW

Perhaps they're getting out 20's earlier as a means of addressing traction complaints (wider tire and effectively taller gearing)?

Taller gearing with 20s? Unless I'm reading it wrong, I think you're confused as only the tire height would affect that, not the rim size. Would simply come with a lower a/r unless they wanted to re-opitimize the entire chassis.

Irregardless, from a purely personal standpoint I'd never want 20s on an M3.

[zhangzeyuandss]

No way for the Com pack. But the LCI tails and I drive is quite possible. Just like E90 m3 had a refresh in 2009 1 year after the 2008 come out.

[SD ///M4]

Originally Posted by chris s

Hmmm... Not looking like the most reliable source, but who knows.

I would beg to differ.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by dsm918

How much more do the comp package M3's typically cost over the standard one? 8-10% of base price?

Considering that the Comp Pack costs $7,300 for the M5/M6, and by my rough calculations which is 7.9% of the base price of an F10 M5. I'd guess that the Comp Package price will be roughly $5,000 based on that same percentage for the F8x M3/M4.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Yes but...

1)It was massively needed as the 08 Idrive was worthless.
2) You have a 7 series coming out that is supposed to debut the full upgraded system. Doubt the M3 would do this at the same time.

Yes the 08 to 09 idrive change was major. Basically everything was new, screen, controller, software, hardware. The E9x came out right before all the cars got the new idrive.

The F8x was timed well with the new idrive release, with the touch pad. The only update it will be getting is the LTE/over the air updates. Which is a minor change, the physical makeup of the idrive will remain the same. If it is like the LTE in Audis, I'd let the trial subscription run out anyways. Not paying to extend it.

[dmk08]

I have for real heard GoPro mounts in 2016 from multiple BMW ppl..