Anyone come from a 911 into new M3/M4?

[rsdarcan66]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

$159k for a 4 GTS.. F that

Buy a GT3 RS in the US for the same price, keep it around for some US track days then sell it later..

Almost impossible to get a GT3 RS. Some guy on the east coast paid 80k over MSRP The premiums are insane... 260k for a GT3 RS IS CRAZY you can get a 458 for that kind of money.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by schnazzy

I had a 996 Carrera (2003), 535i (2008) and a 550i (2011).

Carrera
con- underpowered (turbo would have been a better choice), a girl in a drive through asked if it was a Miata (I told her yes . I needed to keep a second car for daily things (commute, groceries, 2 friends in the car at a time)
pro- sounded great, handled amazingly, fun to drive, got a few cool comments (like 3 a year).

535i-
con - heavy-ish, spend too much (put the Mtech body and rep wheels on). had serious trouble with the batter and BMW wouldn't cover it (now they will)
pro - not under powered (jb4), god gas mileage, gave a ride to some petite Asian girls and they looked even smaller in the big seats. a great car!

550i
con - super heavy, had some weirdness with the engine when cold and had some campaigns done, boring car (all black), gas mileage wasn't great
pro - nice car, rode well, good power, comfy

M4 -
Notes: coming out of the 550i as it was out of warranty and the engine anomalies concerned me. Also wanted something faster and more nimble like my Porsche. I rarely ever used the 4 doors of the 550 so I got an M4 instead of M3. Also my friends have a 335i msport (4 door) in blue and I didn't want to be too similar.
con - hmmm. oh, ok. the ride is more rough than the 550i and I live on a street that is pretty rough (cement with transitions). that's it.
pro - it is ~15% heavier but with almost 100% more HP (with JB4). as nimble as the 996 even with the slightly heavier body. Seems much more rigid than the pcar, DCT is nice and makes it a much easier daily car. Trunk is huge and can fold seats down so I can do just about any errand. I can put two friends in my car. Now I just have to find some.

from a non-turbo 996, the M4 is a no brainer. From a 991 to an M4 would be closer but the M4 is more versatile and unless the pcar is turbo, The M4 is a better performing car. With a pcar that is turbo.... well, I'd probably take the M4 anyway but by a small margin.

additionally.... the pcar exhaust sounded better than my akra dp / mperf exhaust and the pcar feels to have more race breeding and more of a one use only (race) car. Having said that, I like my M4 exhaust at 6k rpm in sport+, it makes neighboring drivers poop a little. The M4 seems to also be a better car for the track in that it is stiff and powerful. Granted I am comparing a turbo vs non and 12 years of technology difference.

This seems flawed comparing a car that was originally designed in the mid 90's compared to a car that was designed in the last few years. Going back, there are still 997 generation models that are still at the top of the performance game today.
Comparably speaking, current design, they are in two different leagues of performance. Even a basic 911 Carrera on the track has shown to be faster and be a better/more dynamic chassis. The S model improves further and is quite a bit faster where a comparison really cannot be made on the tack. The M3 and M4 are close in a straight line to a Carrera S but that is where the comparison starts and ends. Mind you, the generation of the 991 has been out for about 4 years and while BMW targeted the 911 as they have done forever, they have not been able to match, which should tell you a lot about how good the 991 generation is. In fact, this could be said of the C7 Corvette, the Jaguar F-Type, an AMG GT/S which all aimed for the 911 like the M3/4 did and have failed despite having years to do so while they developed their car after the 991 was launched.

I will be moving to a 991 and am really thrilled. Its not quite as practical, but there isn't an area where it doesn't easily surpass my current M3. The 991 911 generation has been a game changer. The bar is has set I have not seen reached yet.

[mnikhil]

Originally Posted by Michael_s

My lease us up today on my 2013 991 C4S. To be honest I would buy the car but the residual is over market and the miles are high (especially for a P car). Also I was recently divorced and have to pay the ex for another 29 months. The payments are pretty steep on the P car (and the ex ).

I have driven the M5 and M6 and while absolute torque monsters, these cars are too heavy and big for me. I am used to light, raw, visceral cars. I have not had the opportunity to drive the new M3/M4 but I will soon.

The Porsche build quality was excellent and I am somewhat concerned about the threads that talk about rattles, squeaks etc. I have had numerous M cars before so I have dealt with some to the BMW creaking, etc.

I can extend my lease 3 months but again I would be paying roughly 2X what a M3/M4 payment is.

Any and all feedback wanted.

Happy Fathers Day to all.

I was just curios what your lease payments were on the P-car? around$1200/mo?

[Michael_s]

Originally Posted by mnikhil

I was just curios what your lease payments were on the P-car? around$1200/mo?

Ha... I wish. My car was a C4S with original MSRP of 131K. More like 1500 and that was a great deal.

Same car 1800-2000 now. Porsche uses MRM which means after a certain MSRP you cannot residualize the full amount. MRM is different for each model.

[BGR]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Don't turn on the sport exhaust button on the GTS. #drool

Yup.

[gjnockie]

Well after (5) 911's I am done with them. Last one was a loaded 14 C2S, nice car but if you are like me and it's your weekend car and you are not tracking it the M4 Vert in my opinion is much easier to live with. I know it's heavier and all that stuff but on the flip side you don't have to deal with a cloth top which always looked wrinkled and is a potential security risk when you park it.

What I disliked the most about the 991 is that unless you keep the revs above 4K all the time you really do not have much power to maneuver in most everyday situations. Who drives that way? NO TORQUE!

So far I love the M4 Vert, no regrets whatsoever and it's more comfortable too!

[Devilzmantis]

Originally Posted by BGR

Yup.

You ever seen a 911 without the PSE option? what a waste of a 911 if it comes with the standard exhaust. A 991 pulled next to me... i asked him to rev it up.. he did and it was complete silence. Found out it didn't came with the PSE. They gotta have that thing as standard for a 100K car... wow.

If people think BMW nickel and dime you... wait until you try to option the Porsche.

[BGR]

Originally Posted by Devilzmantis

You ever seen a 911 without the PSE option? what a waste of a 911 if it comes with the standard exhaust. A 991 pulled next to me... i asked him to rev it up.. he did and it was complete silence. Found out it didn't came with the PSE. They gotta have that thing as standard for a 100K car... wow.

If people think BMW nickel and dime you... wait until you try to option the Porsche.

Yeah I think Porsche might be the only company where you can double the starting msrp by adding options.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by Devilzmantis

You ever seen a 911 without the PSE option? what a waste of a 911 if it comes with the standard exhaust. A 991 pulled next to me... i asked him to rev it up.. he did and it was complete silence. Found out it didn't came with the PSE. They gotta have that thing as standard for a 100K car... wow.

If people think BMW nickel and dime you... wait until you try to option the Porsche.

My opinion, the F8x M3/4 have one of the worst engine and exhaust notes in the history of the automobile. At least when you get PSE it sounds second to none, with BMW you spend 4500-5000 on MPE and it still sounds terrible.
Porsche is a very niche, custom car so you can add as much or as little as you want. That's one of the things people love about them. The sky is the limit.

[ajag]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

My opinion, the F8x M3/4 have one of the worst engine and exhaust notes in the history of the automobile. At least when you get PSE it sounds second to none, with BMW you spend 4500-5000 on MPE and it still sounds terrible.
Porsche is a very niche, custom car so you can add as much or as little as you want. That's one of the things people love about them. The sky is the limit.

Maybe true, but don't compare the forced induction BMW w/ a NA 991. The turbo Porsches don't sound a whole lot better w/ their OEM exhausts than the BMW ones. I'd say AMG does a better job w/ their OEM (non performance option) turbo exhaust sounds than either.

[BMdblU]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

$159k for a 4 GTS.. F that

Buy a GT3 RS in the US for the same price, keep it around for some US track days then sell it later..

Was a nice thing to do 2 years ago when our dollars were almost at par. Now importing a car costs 20-30% more with the disparity and taxes.

You guys have is good.

[BMdblU]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

My opinion, the F8x M3/4 have one of the worst engine and exhaust notes in the history of the automobile. At least when you get PSE it sounds second to none, with BMW you spend 4500-5000 on MPE and it still sounds terrible.
Porsche is a very niche, custom car so you can add as much or as little as you want. That's one of the things people love about them. The sky is the limit.

I still don't understand why you still have the car if you don't 'love it' and you knock the exhaust every chance you get. Get rid of it already and save us all.

Im almost convinced you don't even have one and are just trolling at this point..

[dgp]

Originally Posted by ajag

Maybe true, but don't compare the forced induction BMW w/ a NA 991. The turbo Porsches don't sound a whole lot better w/ their OEM exhausts than the BMW ones. I'd say AMG does a better job w/ their OEM (non performance option) turbo exhaust sounds than either.

Agree-wait to hear how next year carreras will sound. And the base engine (2.9) will be smaller than M3/4. At least it will solve their torque issues apparent in the current non turbo and non GT models.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

My opinion, the F8x M3/4 have one of the worst engine and exhaust notes in the history of the automobile. At least when you get PSE it sounds second to none, with BMW you spend 4500-5000 on MPE and it still sounds terrible.
Porsche is a very niche, custom car so you can add as much or as little as you want. That's one of the things people love about them. The sky is the limit.

Hold that opinion until you hear next year's boxster/cayman/carrera turbos.. The boxster is a turbo 4

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by BMdblU

I still don't understand why you still have the car if you don't 'love it' and you knock the exhaust every chance you get. Get rid of it already and save us all.

Im almost convinced you don't even have one and are just trolling at this point..

You can see my FS thread of my car in the for sale section.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by ajag

Maybe true, but don't compare the forced induction BMW w/ a NA 991. The turbo Porsches don't sound a whole lot better w/ their OEM exhausts than the BMW ones. I'd say AMG does a better job w/ their OEM (non performance option) turbo exhaust sounds than either.

Agreed...but 911 turbo sounds phenomenal with an exhaust. Stock is too quiet, and muted.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Devilzmantis

You ever seen a 911 without the PSE option? what a waste of a 911 if it comes with the standard exhaust. A 991 pulled next to me... i asked him to rev it up.. he did and it was complete silence. Found out it didn't came with the PSE. They gotta have that thing as standard for a 100K car... wow.

If people think BMW nickel and dime you... wait until you try to option the Porsche.

My now gone C2's non-PSE exhaust would scream.

[Devilzmantis]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

Agreed...but 911 turbo sounds phenomenal with an exhaust. Stock is too quiet, and muted.

I agree... i was just ragging on the stock OEM exhaust for a 100K+ Top Sports Car. I know the Porsches can really sound 2nd to none but why would they make the OEM quiet like this just boggles my mind.

[Devilzmantis]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

My now gone C2's non-PSE exhaust would scream.

I had a C2 non-PSE 997... I got it to scream at high revs but to me it was so quiet... I had to put an Aftermarket Quad Straight Pipes. Was my first Porsche I didn't know... next one the PSE is a must for me.

[48Laws]

Yeah, PSE is on entirely another level.

[Devilzmantis]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Yeah, PSE is on entirely another level.

Man check out the Stock Exhaust closed and open vs aftermarkets... The Stock is so quiet. But once you have PSE or one of these IPE F1 systems, its what the porsche should really sound.

[48Laws]

Great comparo.