Stand Alone ECU

420Coupe · 02-08-2018, 11:33 AM

I wanted to gauge the interest in the community for a Stand Alone Plug and Play ECU option. I'm doing this either way whether there's support or not. I'm just more curious to see if there's anyone that would be interested.

While other systems may throw out marketing terms like "launch control" and "closed loop", this system will actually holds to the true definition of these terms providing unparalleled control and closed loop functionality in systems such as lambda control, launch control, traction control, boost control, anti-lag, flex fuel, etc

Completely Plug & Play System.
Fully revertible to stock at any time -- just plug your unaltered OEM ecu back in.
Zero down time -- don't need to send in anything to anyone, just plug this system in and off you go.
Zero alternations to any factory equipment -- no wiring, no splicing, no cutting.
Drive Mode retention between key cycles (yes this is possible and very easy to implement!).

Open your car up to the endless possibilities:
Install and run any sensor you wish (pressure, temperature, etc)
No more intrusive VSA interference! Traction control is done using our unique VitTuned closed loop control strategy.

chewbakam4 · 02-08-2018, 08:40 PM

I’d love to see this on these cars. How long do you think you’d need to get all of this sorted out to even just start the car?

hellokitty · 02-08-2018, 11:40 PM

In for a motec system exhaust

harkes · 02-09-2018, 01:38 AM

What are the limitations of the current DME giving this its merit?

aboulfad · 02-09-2018, 03:59 AM

Is this meant to be used in car, or with a stand alone ECU, aka benched DME? Sorry know very little but curious... also Motec M1 only lists BMW N55 support, no S55, even though there are many common aspects between both, surely there are specific S55 parameters.

Rik84 · 02-09-2018, 04:18 AM

If there was an al encompassing simple Motec solution I would buy it in a heart beat.

420Coupe · 02-09-2018, 06:29 AM

It would be a plug and play solution for your car; meaning you would be able to retain all stock functionality of dash and other oem features.

Not sure on how long it would take to reverse engineer the CANbus. But Vit would be writing his own code for this car. Would be faster if someone was in Oregon; if not I’ll probably be shipping him my car shortly.

Also just to keep transparency these stand alone ecu are up in the $5k + range. However the M150 is transferable to other vehicles as long as there’s support for it. Basically you’d be able to transfer to future cars if you ever sold the F80/F82, would just need the harness and update firmware for new car.

420Coupe · 02-09-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by harkes

What are the limitations of the current DME giving this its merit?

There’s limitations everywhere in the stock ecu. I want a full solution to be able from flex fuel, to rolling anti lag, to true closed loop, rev match (even in sport +) , traction control...there would basically be zero limitations with a MoTeC it would be more of what features would you want as there’s infinite potential when you’re the one writing the code

chewbakam4 · 02-09-2018, 06:52 AM

Getting the car to idle and cold start is always a pain with a standalone on something new from my past experience with them on my friend’s cars. Anything is doable but its just such long and tedious process to get it running perfect given its not a purpose built race car. Their cars are flawless at WOT and part throttle but they still to this day have weird startup and idle depending on weather hot and cold. Still though don’t want to discourage your efforts I’d love to see this happen and running hard!

420Coupe · 02-09-2018, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chewbakam4

Getting the car to idle and cold start is always a pain with a standalone on something new from my past experience with them on my friend’s cars. Anything is doable but its just such long and tedious process to get it running perfect given its not a purpose built race car. Their cars are flawless at WOT and part throttle but they still to this day have weird startup and idle depending on weather hot and cold. Still though don’t want to discourage your efforts I’d love to see this happen and running hard!

This wouldn't be our first reverse engineering of a CANbus.

We have cars idling perfect, better than stock, with way bigger injectors, cams, N/A or FI.

Here's a list of cars currently supported by Vit's own code

VitTuned is pioneering custom MoTeC M1 firmware development on various platforms. We currently have solutions for:

06 - 11 Honda Civic (R18/Si/FD2/FN2)
All Honda B series platforms
All K series swap platforms
99 - 05 Honda S2000
06 - 09 Honda S2000
13+ Scion FRS/Subaru BRZ
09+ Nissan 370Z

Link below has a bit more info on each

http://blog.vittuned.com/category/dynos/ems/motec-m1/

BMWcurious · 02-09-2018, 10:20 AM

MoTeC is awesome. Can the platform do without flexray? Presumably so since there is an N55 MoTeC but does it lose any features if it loses flexray, for example do you retain DSC with individual wheel braking or is it replaced by torque reductions in the M1 to control slip? Does it have OBD II or will users revert to stock ECU for inspections? Can you access the M1 through the ethernet gateway/FEM or only through its dedicated comms? Does the M1 fit to the inlet manifold like the DME or do you plug up the holes when the DME is removed and relocate the M1 on a harness?

420Coupe · 02-09-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWcurious

MoTeC is awesome. Can the platform do without flexray? Presumably so since there is an N55 MoTeC but does it lose any features if it loses flexray, for example do you retain DSC with individual wheel braking or is it replaced by torque reductions in the M1 to control slip? Does it have OBD II or will users revert to stock ECU for inspections? Can you access the M1 through the ethernet gateway/FEM or only through its dedicated comms? Does the M1 fit to the inlet manifold like the DME or do you plug up the holes when the DME is removed and relocate the M1 on a harness?

It can do anything and everything you would want it to do; just need to reverse engineer it or code it.

It would be a plug and play; meaning you would remove stock ecu and replace with this ecu. For inspections you could switch back or have a stock base map.

BMWcurious · 02-09-2018, 11:23 AM

"Anything and everything" - does that mean it does have flexray? There are 34 channels of flexray connecting the DME and other modules.

420Coupe · 02-09-2018, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMWcurious

"Anything and everything" - does that mean it does have flexray? There are 34 channels of flexray connecting the DME and other modules.

Still working reverse engineering the solution.

But long story short may just require an additional ECU to handle all the processes; Still in the early stages but should have a full solution by end of Q2 if not possibly faster depending on Vit's work load.

cookiesowns · 03-09-2018, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420Coupe

Still working reverse engineering the solution.

But long story short may just require an additional ECU to handle all the processes; Still in the early stages but should have a full solution by end of Q2 if not possibly faster depending on Vit's work load.

No way, Vitt finally took my suggestion and found someone to work on M1 integration on S55?

_Nathan_ · 03-09-2018, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 420Coupe

It would be a plug and play solution for your car; meaning you would be able to retain all stock functionality of dash and other oem features.

Not sure on how long it would take to reverse engineer the CANbus. But Vit would be writing his own code for this car. Would be faster if someone was in Oregon; if not I’ll probably be shipping him my car shortly.

Also just to keep transparency these stand alone ecu are up in the $5k + range. However the M150 is transferable to other vehicles as long as there’s support for it. Basically you’d be able to transfer to future cars if you ever sold the F80/F82, would just need the harness and update firmware for new car.

M150 won't run DI though so would be a bad choice for this project

420Coupe · 03-09-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cookiesowns

No way, Vitt finally took my suggestion and found someone to work on M1 integration on S55?

That would be this guy LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

M150 won't run DI though so would be a bad choice for this project

Yeah i know more than likely going to have to go with M182 as the M142 probably wont have enough I/O. Still M1 Gang.

Will probably be shipping car off to him towards the end of this month and projecting about 3 months for a complete plug and play solution. (takes a while to reverse engineer between the D/I injection mapping and CANbus)

It's a start for a true stand alone solution though!

chewbakam4 · 03-10-2018, 10:32 PM

Usually you want to multiply any project estimate like that by amount 4 times in my experience. Expect a year and lots of unforeseen setbacks and surprises along the way and high chance of it not working out at all but all the power to you and this would be really great to see happen.

cookiesowns · 03-11-2018, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420Coupe

That would be this guy LOL

Yeah i know more than likely going to have to go with M182 as the M142 probably wont have enough I/O. Still M1 Gang.

Will probably be shipping car off to him towards the end of this month and projecting about 3 months for a complete plug and play solution. (takes a while to reverse engineer between the D/I injection mapping and CANbus)

It's a start for a true stand alone solution though!

Nice. Let him know he can reach out to me, or you can if you guys need help on the BMW documentation side of things, or ECU coding

Drew@Sonic MS · 03-13-2018, 11:36 PM

Hopefully this works out, Motec was working on the N54 for years and eventually gave up.

chewbakam4 · 03-14-2018, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420Coupe

This wouldn't be our first reverse engineering of a CANbus.

We have cars idling perfect, better than stock, with way bigger injectors, cams, N/A or FI.

Here's a list of cars currently supported by Vit's own code

VitTuned is pioneering custom MoTeC M1 firmware development on various platforms. We currently have solutions for:

06 - 11 Honda Civic (R18/Si/FD2/FN2)
All Honda B series platforms
All K series swap platforms
99 - 05 Honda S2000
06 - 09 Honda S2000
13+ Scion FRS/Subaru BRZ
09+ Nissan 370Z

Link below has a bit more info on each

http://blog.vittuned.com/category/dynos/ems/motec-m1/

I think you’re underestimating it. None of those are direct injection and then you have DCT transmission to deal with too and this new Flex ray stuff new cars are using but you know more than me.

M3anPower · 03-14-2018, 07:43 AM

I love Motec but let's be realistic here, this is not Honda or Nissan that use standard ECU, BMW use very intelligent ECU for their cars and its one of the things I like about my F80, as much as I love Motec I don't see myself replacing the ECU to any other brand.

View Poll Results: Interested in MoTeC Stand Alone ECU
Yes	55	70.51%
No	15	19.23%
Maybe	8	10.26%
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02-08-2018, 11:33 AM	#1
420Coupe Lieutenant 223 Rep 443 Posts Drives: 2015 Alpine White M3 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	Stand Alone ECU I wanted to gauge the interest in the community for a Stand Alone Plug and Play ECU option. I'm doing this either way whether there's support or not. I'm just more curious to see if there's anyone that would be interested. While other systems may throw out marketing terms like "launch control" and "closed loop", this system will actually holds to the true definition of these terms providing unparalleled control and closed loop functionality in systems such as lambda control, launch control, traction control, boost control, anti-lag, flex fuel, etc Completely Plug & Play System. Fully revertible to stock at any time -- just plug your unaltered OEM ecu back in. Zero down time -- don't need to send in anything to anyone, just plug this system in and off you go. Zero alternations to any factory equipment -- no wiring, no splicing, no cutting. Drive Mode retention between key cycles (yes this is possible and very easy to implement!). Open your car up to the endless possibilities: Install and run any sensor you wish (pressure, temperature, etc) No more intrusive VSA interference! Traction control is done using our unique VitTuned closed loop control strategy. Last edited by 420Coupe; 02-08-2018 at 05:03 PM..
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420Coupe Lieutenant 223 Rep 443 Posts Drives: 2015 Alpine White M3 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	It would be a plug and play solution for your car; meaning you would be able to retain all stock functionality of dash and other oem features. Not sure on how long it would take to reverse engineer the CANbus. But Vit would be writing his own code for this car. Would be faster if someone was in Oregon; if not I’ll probably be shipping him my car shortly. Also just to keep transparency these stand alone ecu are up in the $5k + range. However the M150 is transferable to other vehicles as long as there’s support for it. Basically you’d be able to transfer to future cars if you ever sold the F80/F82, would just need the harness and update firmware for new car.
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chewbakam4 Major 717 Rep 1,184 Posts Drives: F82 M4 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Malton iTrader: (0)	Getting the car to idle and cold start is always a pain with a standalone on something new from my past experience with them on my friend’s cars. Anything is doable but its just such long and tedious process to get it running perfect given its not a purpose built race car. Their cars are flawless at WOT and part throttle but they still to this day have weird startup and idle depending on weather hot and cold. Still though don’t want to discourage your efforts I’d love to see this happen and running hard!
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BMWcurious Private First Class 227 Rep 182 Posts Drives: Various BMWs Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: St Andrews iTrader: (0)	MoTeC is awesome. Can the platform do without flexray? Presumably so since there is an N55 MoTeC but does it lose any features if it loses flexray, for example do you retain DSC with individual wheel braking or is it replaced by torque reductions in the M1 to control slip? Does it have OBD II or will users revert to stock ECU for inspections? Can you access the M1 through the ethernet gateway/FEM or only through its dedicated comms? Does the M1 fit to the inlet manifold like the DME or do you plug up the holes when the DME is removed and relocate the M1 on a harness?
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BMWcurious Private First Class 227 Rep 182 Posts Drives: Various BMWs Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: St Andrews iTrader: (0)	"Anything and everything" - does that mean it does have flexray? There are 34 channels of flexray connecting the DME and other modules.
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chewbakam4 Major 717 Rep 1,184 Posts Drives: F82 M4 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Malton iTrader: (0)	Usually you want to multiply any project estimate like that by amount 4 times in my experience. Expect a year and lots of unforeseen setbacks and surprises along the way and high chance of it not working out at all but all the power to you and this would be really great to see happen.
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M3anPower Banned 176 Rep 342 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Somewhere iTrader: (0)	I love Motec but let's be realistic here, this is not Honda or Nissan that use standard ECU, BMW use very intelligent ECU for their cars and its one of the things I like about my F80, as much as I love Motec I don't see myself replacing the ECU to any other brand.
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