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      07-30-2019, 01:22 PM   #2619
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I forgot about the religious aspect. So another question. Right now there's a white Christian majority in power that lines up with their religious views. What happens if (especially on a local level) non white Muslims are the majority and they start enacting parts of Sharia law? I've seen it tried here and there and the uproar from the white Christian majority is deafening. Hence why I'd rather stay out of legislating on religious belief law as much as possible as I don't want any one religion controlling the country.

To be clear, I truly hate abortion. Nobody likes it, but legislating it out on religious terms is also wrong IMO. Especially when the religion that is outlawing it opposes contraception and pushes mostly/only abstention for birth control. Which, as we can see doesn't work, even within the religious majority that are pushing these concepts/beliefs. Last, when all of these unwanted kids start coming the religious right/Republicans say you shouldn't of gotten pregnant and you are on your own/don't touch my wallet. I see much hypocrisy here.

Also, I grew up in a very Lutheran (German) household and went to church quite a bit when younger etc. Nothing and I mean nothing except for the push to ban abortion leads me to see how Christians can follow a man like Trump. The guy seriously has more similarities to how the antichrist is described in the bible. He embodies the exact opposite of Jesus's core teachings. Which, I'm always amused when it seems like US Christians think Jesus and God for that matter are US citizens or on the US's side?
Yes, religion does tend to colour my worldview. Not possible to separate it either.

That being said, abortion does not need to be legislated out on the basis of religion. It is the protection of an innocent human and assigning a basic right to life to them. Nothing religious about that.

So to your question about Sharia Law, yeah, I'd be opposed to it, and it would be my right to be and to protest and etc. Just like it is everyone else's right to protest the new abortion laws and how they're "unfair" to women. Go ahead. This won't bother me at all. But ultimately, if the country I live in enacts a law that I simply cannot stand and also cannot change, then the onus is on me to move somewhere where that law is not in place. Or to resign myself to that law.

I don't have any problem with contraception myself. I'm unclear to be honest where in the Bible it is forbidden. If you happen to know / remember, I'd be very interested in reading it.

On that point, I'm reminded of an old joke I read - a pastor was giving a sermon and at the end was reminding everyone that children were a gift from God (which is true). And an old woman piped up and said that rain was also a gift from God, but when he gives it abundantly we all put on a set of rubbers.

Sadly though, I believe you are right on the hypocrisy where few are willing to support these children and that is sad. I know myself that I am not someone who could adopt, though I know several families who have. And it is amazing their unconditional love for those children. I have no issues giving financially to families / similar programs, but I know I can't adopt.

Yes, believing God is a US citizen or on the US' side is ridiculous. It is clear that He is a Canadian and on Canada's side.


But no, he isn't for one specific country, though I do believe that Israel will always be his chosen nation. And that they will make up the 144,000 spoken about in Revelation.
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Yes, religion does tend to colour my worldview. Not possible to separate it either.

That being said, abortion does not need to be legislated out on the basis of religion. It is the protection of an innocent human and assigning a basic right to life to them. Nothing religious about that.

So to your question about Sharia Law, yeah, I'd be opposed to it, and it would be my right to be and to protest and etc. Just like it is everyone else's right to protest the new abortion laws and how they're "unfair" to women. Go ahead. This won't bother me at all. But ultimately, if the country I live in enacts a law that I simply cannot stand and also cannot change, then the onus is on me to move somewhere where that law is not in place. Or to resign myself to that law.

I don't have any problem with contraception myself. I'm unclear to be honest where in the Bible it is forbidden. If you happen to know / remember, I'd be very interested in reading it.

On that point, I'm reminded of an old joke I read - a pastor was giving a sermon and at the end was reminding everyone that children were a gift from God (which is true). And an old woman piped up and said that rain was also a gift from God, but when he gives it abundantly we all put on a set of rubbers.

Sadly though, I believe you are right on the hypocrisy where few are willing to support these children and that is sad. I know myself that I am not someone who could adopt, though I know several families who have. And it is amazing their unconditional love for those children. I have no issues giving financially to families / similar programs, but I know I can't adopt.

Yes, believing God is a US citizen or on the US' side is ridiculous. It is clear that He is a Canadian and on Canada's side.


But no, he isn't for one specific country, though I do believe that Israel will always be his chosen nation. And that they will make up the 144,000 spoken about in Revelation.
The really religious right here have opposed handing out condoms taking any form of birth control etc. Also they push the no sex before marriage etc. While it may be a good idea for some (the no sex before marriage), I think most would agree that it is unrealistic.

The abortion debate will never end on religious or scientific terms. I consider myself a pragmatist above all else. If it is banned again you will see Christian parents daughters getting back room abortions. This does absolutely nobody any good. Or the hiding/shame etc of a women being pregnant out of wedlock etc. Plus the rich Christians will just fly/drive to a country where it is legal and do it without anyone knowing, but of course suspecting. The ones really affected will be the poor minorities that don't have the resources to care properly for most of these kids and that leads to many other issues. One mainly being a rising crime rate. Again, hypocrisy would reign all over the place and as we've seen in history prohibition of almost anything is doomed to failure.

Again, I absolutely hate abortion and agree it is almost always ending the life of a human. Unfortunately I don't see a better way pragmatically to ending the practice. As banning it won't end it and will cause many other unintended issues, which may be ultimately worse in many ways.
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Yes, religion does tend to colour my worldview. Not possible to separate it either.

That being said, abortion does not need to be legislated out on the basis of religion. It is the protection of an innocent human and assigning a basic right to life to them. Nothing religious about that.

So to your question about Sharia Law, yeah, I'd be opposed to it, and it would be my right to be and to protest and etc. Just like it is everyone else's right to protest the new abortion laws and how they're "unfair" to women. Go ahead. This won't bother me at all. But ultimately, if the country I live in enacts a law that I simply cannot stand and also cannot change, then the onus is on me to move somewhere where that law is not in place. Or to resign myself to that law.

I don't have any problem with contraception myself. I'm unclear to be honest where in the Bible it is forbidden. If you happen to know / remember, I'd be very interested in reading it.

On that point, I'm reminded of an old joke I read - a pastor was giving a sermon and at the end was reminding everyone that children were a gift from God (which is true). And an old woman piped up and said that rain was also a gift from God, but when he gives it abundantly we all put on a set of rubbers.

Sadly though, I believe you are right on the hypocrisy where few are willing to support these children and that is sad. I know myself that I am not someone who could adopt, though I know several families who have. And it is amazing their unconditional love for those children. I have no issues giving financially to families / similar programs, but I know I can't adopt.

Yes, believing God is a US citizen or on the US' side is ridiculous. It is clear that He is a Canadian and on Canada's side.


But no, he isn't for one specific country, though I do believe that Israel will always be his chosen nation. And that they will make up the 144,000 spoken about in Revelation.
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The really religious right here have opposed handing out condoms taking any form of birth control etc. Also they push the no sex before marriage etc. While it may be a good idea for some (the no sex before marriage), I think most would agree that it is unrealistic.

The abortion debate will never end on religious or scientific terms. I consider myself a pragmatist above all else. If it is banned again you will see Christian parents daughters getting back room abortions. This does absolutely nobody any good. Or the hiding/shame etc of a women being pregnant out of wedlock etc. Plus the rich Christians will just fly/drive to a country where it is legal and do it without anyone knowing, but of course suspecting. The ones really affected will be the poor minorities that don't have the resources to care properly for most of these kids and that leads to many other issues. One mainly being a rising crime rate. Again, hypocrisy would reign all over the place and as we've seen in history prohibition of almost anything is doomed to failure.

Again, I absolutely hate abortion and agree it is almost always ending the life of a human. Unfortunately I don't see a better way pragmatically to ending the practice. As banning it won't end it and will cause many other unintended issues, which may be ultimately worse in many ways.
yeah, I'm not religious and don't think life begins at conception. generally think women should get to control their bodies so the abortion piece doesn't work for me to soften trump's efforts.

besides, trump's recent conversion to being pro-life is yet another of his recent changes of heart, like all of his half-assed playing up to the religious right. with all the women he's slept with and likely knocked up, would be interested to know how many abortions he has paid for over the years......

and sorry Joekerr - keep forgetting you are a fellow canuck. (ironic that the conservative is in Toronto and the liberal in Calgary but....that's Canada, I guess)

I continue to believe the damage trump is causing is so deep that it just seems irreversible (or pretty damn near irreversible). I worry about that crap being exported up here. there are certainly those elements that would love trump style government here.....
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If I make it to Saturday, I'm going to have to seriously reflect on my life choices and I will start practicing saying no to people.
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Fair question.

The tax reform was interesting, but I don't think it ultimately will be all that successful. Partially because there doesn't appear to be a corresponding drawback in the spending.

So that's a partial like - I think on the surface it is good, but it fails because other necessary things to support it aren't happening.

I like how Trump appears to have barred taxpayer funded clinics from referring abortions / Planned Parenthood bit. I'm 100% against abortion, so I like that move. As a ripple effect I think, a number of states have also gotten more restrictive on abortion (or are at least attempting to pass laws to that effect). This gives unborn babies a chance to grow up and have an impact, hopefully positive, on America and the world.

I also don't mind his court appointments so far.

Right to try legislation seems to be promising also.

There are of course things I don't like, particularly his tariffs which don't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me (or at least how he describes them working). They may have the desired effect, but I'm not confident they will. Partially because those American businesses who operate in those industries are just raising their prices instead of figuring out how to be more competitive. And I can't blame them - it is a capitalist society and make hay while the sun shines. They rightly figure this will be short term, so why make substantial investments.
I forgot about the religious aspect. So another question. Right now there's a white Christian majority in power that lines up with their religious views. What happens if (especially on a local level) non white Muslims are the majority and they start enacting parts of Sharia law? I've seen it tried here and there and the uproar from the white Christian majority is deafening. Hence why I'd rather stay out of legislating on religious belief law as much as possible as I don't want any one religion controlling the country.

To be clear, I truly hate abortion. Nobody likes it, but legislating it out on religious terms is also wrong IMO. Especially when the religion that is outlawing it opposes contraception and pushes mostly/only abstention for birth control. Which, as we can see doesn't work, even within the religious majority that are pushing these concepts/beliefs. Last, when all of these unwanted kids start coming the religious right/Republicans say you shouldn't of gotten pregnant and you are on your own/don't touch my wallet. I see much hypocrisy here.

Also, I grew up in a very Lutheran (German) household and went to church quite a bit when younger etc. Nothing and I mean nothing except for the push to ban abortion leads me to see how Christians can follow a man like Trump. The guy seriously has more similarities to how the antichrist is described in the bible. He embodies the exact opposite of Jesus's core teachings. Which, I'm always amused when it seems like US Christians think Jesus and God for that matter are US citizens or on the US's side?
So.......I ignore this thread for a week or 2 and it gets political?

Though I don't actually ignore it. I can only seem to get on on my phone app when I look up a specific member. No access from my laptop.

Had LUPS offed a guest yet?
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Today is Wednesday. Which makes it prior to this Saturday. Could you please wire $188,550 USD to my account before Saturday please? I would like to buy the new 911 GT3 RS when available. I'll pay for the related options I add - just need you to cover the base cost of the car.

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So.......I ignore this thread for a week or 2 and it gets political?

Though I don't actually ignore it. I can only seem to get on on my phone app when I look up a specific member. No access from my laptop.

Had LUPS offed a guest yet?
Not just political - I also added the spice of religion to it all to top it off! A masterpiece.

No, I believe all guests are currently safely ensconced in their respective domiciles - they have not yet attended the party at her residence where a newly restored masonry heater is patiently waiting to fall on them. With all 1.5 tons of glory.

Sorry Lups - couldn't resist.
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So.......I ignore this thread for a week or 2 and it gets political?

Though I don't actually ignore it. I can only seem to get on on my phone app when I look up a specific member. No access from my laptop.

Had LUPS offed a guest yet?
On Saturday man, on Saturday.

Today had to be the worst day of planning tho.

"So, seating arrangements...." said my aunt.

You know the feeling when you realize you're serving a dinner to 185 people in your own home and most of them hate at least 85% of the folks coming?

You don't? Well, I do.

I'm so fucked.

The origin of the family tree, the family name is all of 150 years old. We all come from three brothers, or rather their parents.

The three brothers bought a farm.

20 years later they decided that since they had the amount of 21 kids combined, they need to buy one brother out, and the remaining two can fight it out with only 16 kids, three of them is the line I come from, the 13 others basically drank their wealth and shit... well, 120 years later, well... yeah, my yard. Me sitting people in my tables for a lovely dinner...

I'm just going to stay in the kitchen. No catering company was willing to cater this event, that's how bad my relatives are. I'm going to rely heavily on me being well liked by (a huge questionmark) and for the old folks being def enough not to hear my sarcastic kids commenting on their petty shit.

Atm I have a seating and tables for 40 people in my livingroom. Those will go to the seriously old folks. The young folks (less than 70 years olds) have to do with my patio tables, that'll seat an other 80.

With a simplified menu (the original plan was for 40 people for fucks sake) and with staff and stolen furniture from everyone I know I can seat and feed everyone. Now I just have to figure out how not turn this into a blood fest.

I still can't believe I had chairs for 117 people in my storages. That includes some benches that'll seat six and so on but still... I still can't believe a person who has the capacity to seat and the room to do so, has to borrow furniture. I'm forming big tables, and seating my aunts, my kids, husband, inlaws and fuck my life, my dog as a principal to them .

I still don't know where I'll shove my mother to.

Edit: I was informed today of the extent of the program my aunt has designed. We will be listening to a 45 minute poem/ play. The subject will be the war against Russia and the women fighting. It'll be a fun and enjoyable perspective, I'm sure since that'll be done by an amateur theatre enthusiast. The main entertainment will be a professional who will be needing an hour for her poetry.

The thing starts at 5 PM. Dinner is served at 5.30. 6 PM the first show is. The second starts at 8 PM. Then the cake and coffee is served.

Seriously guys, I need to reevaluate. Bigly.
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Not just political - I also added the spice of religion to it all to top it off! A masterpiece.

No, I believe all guests are currently safely ensconced in their respective domiciles - they have not yet attended the party at her residence where a newly restored masonry heater is patiently waiting to fall on them. With all 1.5 tons of glory.

Sorry Lups - couldn't resist.
Nothing you do now can rock this boat. I'm like titanic.
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I noticed you passively ignored my request for a wire transfer. I'm really hoping it comes before Saturday when you start practicing saying no, because I'm afeared your response to it will be no. And I don't think you appreciate how much I'd enjoy that particular car.
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My chair counter got fired today. Apparently I only have 98 seats, so now I'm down again an other 20.

Child labour, it's so unreliable.
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Though I don't actually ignore it. I can only seem to get on on my phone app when I look up a specific member. No access from my laptop.

Had LUPS offed a guest yet?
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Not just political - I also added the spice of religion to it all to top it off! A masterpiece.

No, I believe all guests are currently safely ensconced in their respective domiciles - they have not yet attended the party at her residence where a newly restored masonry heater is patiently waiting to fall on them. With all 1.5 tons of glory.

Sorry Lups - couldn't resist.
Long time ago on the original SSOTT we had some regular big arguments. I think we covered pretty much everything we shouldn't talk about in polite company (agreeing Lups has literally the worst taste in music and where GrussGott t and I disagree he is wrong, I am right)

the beauty of the thread is the segue from a 'religion is an empty crux' argument into 'how crazy is lups' family?' to 'should Arcades pull the trigger on yet another car' to minn19 saying 'I just bought like my 7th new F8X' to whatever.


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Though I don't actually ignore it. I can only seem to get on on my phone app when I look up a specific member. No access from my laptop.

Had LUPS offed a guest yet?
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Not just political - I also added the spice of religion to it all to top it off! A masterpiece.

No, I believe all guests are currently safely ensconced in their respective domiciles - they have not yet attended the party at her residence where a newly restored masonry heater is patiently waiting to fall on them. With all 1.5 tons of glory.

Sorry Lups - couldn't resist.
Long time ago on the original SSOTT we had some regular big arguments. I think we covered pretty much everything we shouldn't talk about in polite company (agreeing Lups has literally the worst taste in music and where GrussGott t and I disagree he is wrong, I am right)

the beauty of the thread is the segue from a 'religion is an empty crux' argument into 'how crazy is lups' family?' to 'should Arcades pull the trigger on yet another car' to minn19 saying 'I just bought like my 7th new F8X' to whatever.


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My chair counter got fired today. Apparently I only have 98 seats, so now I'm down again an other 20.

Child labour, it's so unreliable.
if you need anyone else to attend to discuss feelings on the war with Russia, you know what Canadian you can call upon....
Hey! At least with me, the GT3 is hard to find. So... probably won't. Though the company going public on the Singapore Stock Exchange is pretty neat.

Trying to financially responsible is too hard at my age
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also, I am pretty sure this thread from another forum was pretty much a sign post indicating the inevitable election of Cheeto Jesus

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...51&pagenumber=

It makes anything that has ever happened in even the darkest corners of BP OT stuff seem like Einstein debating Aristotle by comparison.
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also, I am pretty sure this thread from another forum was pretty much a sign post indicating the inevitable election of Cheeto Jesus

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...51&pagenumber=

It makes anything that has ever happened in even the darkest corners of BP OT stuff seem like Einstein debating Aristotle by comparison.
My question is... why are you looking at body building forum in the first place?
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My question is... why are you looking at body building forum in the first place?
Great question. Its cause i'm fuckin' huge. Do you even lift bro????



nah, someone found it and posted it on twitter yesterday and a buddy of mine sent it to me. it is just outstanding though. 5 pages of 2 meatheads arguing about how many days there are in a week......
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From 6 am to 12.30 PM it took indeed, but now I have the food done, all i have to worry about tomorrow is the extras that go with it (bacon), and the flowers, cleaning, drinks, and about 20 000 other minor details.
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Anyone sort of slightly wondering how @lups party is going? And also feeling slightly sorry for her?

Hope it goes well!
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