Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

I think they just made it "official" now?

Cars aside, how are you doing? Things settling down at all for you in your job or is still nuttier than usual?

Also, I vote you get a M2 CS so I can selfishly hear your impression of it etc.

I was veeeerrryyyy tempted to get an M2CS, but I felt like I would miss my M4 too much. I would love to whip one around a track though.

Work has settled down significantly in the last 3 weeks or so. We still have the odd protest here and there courtesy of BLM/Antifa, but nothing like it has been the last 8 months or so. Thanks for asking brotha. How are you?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I was veeeerrryyyy tempted to get an M2CS, but I felt like I would miss my M4 too much. I would love to whip one around a track though.

Work has settled down significantly in the last 3 weeks or so. We still have the odd protest here and there courtesy of BLM/Antifa, but nothing like it has been the last 8 months or so. Thanks for asking brotha. How are you?

Good to hear! I was very tempted to wait/try a M2 CS myself, but I've had so many BMWs and I wanted to scratch the Porsche itch one day, so I did. I feel very fortunate especially in these times to be able to experience these cars.

I/my family are thankfully doing good. A little bored as it is eat, work, hang out at home with the fam, sleep and repeat. But, I know a lot have it pretty bad nowadays so no complaints here.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by minn19

Good to hear! I was very tempted to wait/try a M2 CS myself, but I've had so many BMWs and I wanted to scratch the Porsche itch one day, so I did. I feel very fortunate especially in these times to be able to experience these cars.

I/my family are thankfully doing good. A little bored as it is eat, work, hang out at home with the fam, sleep and repeat. But, I know a lot have it pretty bad nowadays so no complaints here.

I saw your P-Car. I like it!!!!! Congrats on making the jump. One day I will have a damn 6MT GT3.

I am glad you and the family are doing well. These are rough times for a lot of people.

[stein_325i]

[f80er]

My good friend is high up at Cadillac and I asked him about that car and he was silent. I just asked him again what the deal is will see if has anything to spill.

He did say if I ever wanted anything GM he could get me an insane deal but nothing in that lineup has every tickled my fancy.

EDIT: He just texted me "They are going to be epic"

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by f80er

My good friend is high up at Cadillac and I asked him about that car and he was silent. I just asked him again what the deal is will see if has anything to spill.

He did say if I ever wanted anything GM he could get me an insane deal but nothing in that lineup has every tickled my fancy.

EDIT: He just texted me "They are going to be epic"

Tell your buddy Cadillac marketing should do a "Drop" of the thing laying waste to the beavertooth nightmare.

Hard to believe competitors won't destroy them and their wannabe cool factor with competitive advertising. Talk about being ripe for the picking.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Limited availability??

[GERMAN M3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Hell Yeah! Looking forward to the reveal.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Limited availability??

That caught my eyes as well, maybe an order only type situation? But then again it says "standard." Maybe they are referring to the number of Blackwings they will produce?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

"A lot of work went into making the manual possible in both vehicles. It's something we know V-Series buyers want and it's something we knew we had to have, so we used innovative processes to make it happen," said Mirza Grebovic, Cadillac performance variant manager. "There are a few ways to really get that connected feel with the vehicle and the manual transmission is probably the most obvious one."

[GERMAN M3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

That caught my eyes as well, maybe an order only type situation? But then again it says "standard." Maybe they are referring to the number of Blackwings they will produce?

That was my thought process as well.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

"A lot of work went into making the manual possible in both vehicles. It's something we know V-Series buyers want and it's something we knew we had to have, so we used innovative processes to make it happen," said Mirza Grebovic, Cadillac performance variant manager. "There are a few ways to really get that connected feel with the vehicle and the manual transmission is probably the most obvious one."

Have to see how they go about advertising. Caddy still has to find a way to get past the, "Our brand is for old people" vibe.

Do appreciate them trying though.

I'm thinking they are going to build only as many as ordered. It depends on if people actually buy the car instead of just saying it. And if the dealerships aren't driving people away cuz you know... sales people..

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I'm thinking they are going to build only as many as ordered. It depends on if people actually buy the car instead of just saying it. And if the dealerships aren't driving people away cuz you know... sales people..

I'm not sure how everyone else's' dealers in their areas are, but our local Cadi dealers are very highly rated in their sales and service.

I know some don't trust JDPower, but they also ranked #4 in sales satisfaction survey, which surveys customers (as well as customers who shopped around and bought elsewhere), their dealer experience.

As always though, YMMV.

[CT_M3]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Have to see how they go about advertising. Caddy still has to find a way to get past the, "Our brand is for old people" vibe.

Do appreciate them trying though.

I'm thinking they are going to build only as many as ordered. It depends on if people actually buy the car instead of just saying it. And if the dealerships aren't driving people away cuz you know... sales people..

I think you're spot on. It will take a while (years) to reverse that vibe. The used market in my area; there are hardly any caddys for sale because few people buy them. It will take constant messaging/marketing and products. One of the problems that I see is that whenever I think 'Caddy', I think 'GM' and the attraction is diminished.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

That caught my eyes as well, maybe an order only type situation? But then again it says "standard." Maybe they are referring to the number of Blackwings they will produce?

I'm taking it as low volume production. Maybe they will ramp it up if the interest is there.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

I'm taking it as low volume production. Maybe they will ramp it up if the interest is there.

Considering the past V that got a lot of praise but ended up selling poorly, I doubt they just make them and hope. Regardless of what their intentions are, sadly catering only to enthusiasts don't really always translate to sells. Its different for Porsche GT cars because it's Porsche.

If even the manuals for Porsche GT cars sit on the lot for so long, I doubt it will magically change for Caddy just because they say they are offering it.

[Arcades]

I also want to point out a previous point brought up by GrussGott pages back.

Brilliance Auto, yes the very same one that BMW is linked to in China, defaulted. So you know, that's news.

[Mavus]

Caddy needs to provide attractive design, performance, support and experience. If they fail at any one of those the sales will not be there. Let's see if they actually invest sufficient funding in developing performance cars vs trucks and suvs.

Another point that is an issue for them is their global branding. Germans sell performance cars across the globe and have strong marketing and user experience. Most folks knows what M3 is.

[stein_325i]

We all know the Cadillac will not sell in large numbers. The German's have brand prestige that Cadillac once had but now lacks (other than the Escalade). BMW could make an M3/4 with a 3-cylinder engine and 150hp and the badge whores would still eat it up. That being said, I'm not shopping for a badge. I would buy a Kia Stinger if they made a high-performance variant. I simply just want an M3-like experience from anyone who will offer it.

So far, for me at least, the Caddy's look like a good choice. The dealers for Caddy are good in my area, the car's while not beautiful, are not unattractive like the G8X's, the biggest issue in the prior gen was the technology (CUE) and interior which has been replaced for a much more reliable and intuitive infotainment system, and more upscale materials. While Merino leather won't be available and it may not be as nice as the Germans, the V products usually do have a nice mix of Alcántara and leather, the Recaro's in the previous ATS-V I drove were fantastically comfortable and supportive, and the driving experience was excellent with great handling, steering feel, and a comfortable but buttoned down Magneride suspension, and they are usually cheaper than their direct rivals (at least by MSRP).

So far, the Blackwings are my #1 choice in cars to look for next, and the C63 is second. Alfa is there but of course, reliability is a fear.

Either way, I excitedly await for Blackwing news and hope for the best for Cadillac.

[CT_M3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

We all know the Cadillac will not sell in large numbers. The German's have brand prestige that Cadillac once had but now lacks (other than the Escalade). BMW could make an M3/4 with a 3-cylinder engine and 150hp and the badge whores would still eat it up. That being said, I'm not shopping for a badge. I would buy a Kia Stinger if they made a high-performance variant. I simply just want an M3-like experience from anyone who will offer it.

So far, for me at least, the Caddy's look like a good choice. The dealers for Caddy are good in my area, the car's while not beautiful, are not unattractive like the G8X's, the biggest issue which was the technology (CUE) which has been replaced for a much more reliable and intuitive infotainment system. While Merino leather won't be available, the V products usually do have a nice mix of Alcántara and leather, the Recaro's in the previous ATS-V I drove were fantastically comfortable and supportive, and the driving experience was excellent with great handling, steering feel, and a comfortable but buttoned down Magneride suspension, and they are usually cheaper than their direct rivals (at least by MSRP).

So far, the Blackwings are my #1 choice in cars to look for next, and the C63 is second. Alfa is there but of course, reliability is a fear.

Either way, I excitedly await for Blackwing news and hope for the best for Cadillac.

The CUE system was a let down in the prior gen. I really considered the ATS-V but backed off because of the resale values in my local market. All other points you made were the very reasons I was looking at the V series. I always accepted harsh suspensions with performance cars like the M3, but the ATS-V really surprised me (that the 911.1 S with PASM) that I drove. It also had a track recorder with G force meter as an option etc... really much more motorsport focused than the M3 in a way (compare that to a "drift meter" option in the G8x---hah!)

The performance was spot on. I was sad to hear that Caddy killed the production only after 2-3 years, but it signaled that they didn't take in sales #s.

But like Smooth 330i said, they have to execute on all fronts continually to change the public perception.

If you get a blackwing, would love to hear your thoughts on it.

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

We all know the Cadillac will not sell in large numbers. The German's have brand prestige that Cadillac once had but now lacks (other than the Escalade). BMW could make an M3/4 with a 3-cylinder engine and 150hp and the badge whores would still eat it up. That being said, I'm not shopping for a badge. I would buy a Kia Stinger if they made a high-performance variant. I simply just want an M3-like experience from anyone who will offer it.

So far, for me at least, the Caddy's look like a good choice. The dealers for Caddy are good in my area, the car's while not beautiful, are not unattractive like the G8X's, the biggest issue in the prior gen was the technology (CUE) and interior which has been replaced for a much more reliable and intuitive infotainment system, and more upscale materials. While Merino leather won't be available and it may not be as nice as the Germans, the V products usually do have a nice mix of Alcántara and leather, the Recaro's in the previous ATS-V I drove were fantastically comfortable and supportive, and the driving experience was excellent with great handling, steering feel, and a comfortable but buttoned down Magneride suspension, and they are usually cheaper than their direct rivals (at least by MSRP).

So far, the Blackwings are my #1 choice in cars to look for next, and the C63 is second. Alfa is there but of course, reliability is a fear.

Either way, I excitedly await for Blackwing news and hope for the best for Cadillac.

Agreed. I'm very much interested in the 6MT Blackwings and then maybe even Porsche but that's a long time away.

Save us next-gen M2! If you aren't ugly, that is.

[f80er]

Welp my buddy is only telling me what is already known... "U seen the teasers right? Magnesium wheels, manual, 200+mph" and when I asked him about price and availability and he clamed up real quick.

But like everyone else already knows Cadillac is fighting that old person stigma and I do like the look of their newer cars but at the end of the day its still Cadillac. Who knows if they will ever be able to rid themselves of it. I do know they are painfully aware of it and are trying to change that with the such things as the recent failed move to Manhattan then back to Detroit. Interesting because that focus on Cadillac as a lifestyle failed miserably so maybe BMW should take the hint on what happens when you focus on the lifestyle vs the car.