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      03-25-2019, 06:42 PM   #1
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Exclamation Reported SCH due to engine design flaw while using CBC?

Has there been any reported SCH due to engine design flaw from a vehicle running the crank hub bolt capture?

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      03-25-2019, 07:19 PM   #2
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Has there been any reported SCH from a vehicle running the crank hub bolt capture?
Similar question asked and replied to here: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=237
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      03-26-2019, 02:09 PM   #3
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Has there been any reported SCH from a vehicle running the crank hub bolt capture?
I think the VTT Crank Bolt Capture has been out a few years now....
I am curious as well... has there been ANY reports of a SCH with just the CBC alone installed. I dont think i have seen any.....
Also, me personally i would only install the CBC on a car that has never spun the hub.
Do u agree ?
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I think the VTT Crank Bolt Capture has been out a few years now....
I am curious as well... has there been ANY reports of a SCH with just the CBC alone installed. I dont think i have seen any.....
Also, me personally i would only install the CBC on a car that has never spun the hub.
Do u agree ?
I have never seen/heard any incidents with CBC either. I'm planning to install just the CBC as well.
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+1 Same here.

Although most "Shops" will likely say it is not the "Full Solution" ... lol
but it seems to be getting the job done, and at a minimal cost...
It's definitely better than nothing...
I can't justify $3500 on something that might or might not happen. I have a 2018 M3 and have only heard of maybe 1-3 total SCH for this year anyway.
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+1 Same here.

Although most "Shops" will likely say it is not the "Full Solution" ... lol
but it seems to be getting the job done, and at a minimal cost...
It's definitely better than nothing...
I can't justify $3500 on something that might or might not happen. I have a 2018 M3 and have only heard of maybe 1-3 total SCH for this year anyway.
Take a look at these videos from a reputable shop from Germany:





They basically rebuilt an S55 with SCH. Towards the end of part 2, you'll see that they also decided to go with only the CBC solution. It may not be full solution but as you said, it's a solid protection and better than not having anything (and no, I don't feel like spending $4K+ on a keyed hub at least for now).
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What’s the price for a CBC? Parts and labor
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Take a look at these videos from a reputable shop from Germany:





They basically rebuilt an S55 with SCH. Towards the end of part 2, you'll see that they also decided to go with only the CBC solution. It may not be full solution but as you said, it's a solid protection and better than not having anything (and no, I don't feel like spending $4K+ on a keyed hub at least for now).
They used a CBC in conjunction with a different torque setting on the bolt. They added an extra 90 degree stretch to the bolt, like is done on the older engine designs.
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What’s the price for a CBC? Parts and labor
VTT sells them for $99.

/u/rotzy said it took him 4 hours to do it in the install thread he wrote, so multiply the shop rate times something around that.
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They used a CBC in conjunction with a different torque setting on the bolt. They added an extra 90 degree stretch to the bolt, like is done on the older engine designs.
Correct! I forgot to mention that part.
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Also that german company has sold many bolt capture plates. And never had failures. These were also used by race teams according to them.
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VTT sells them for $99.

/u/rotzy said it took him 4 hours to do it in the install thread he wrote, so multiply the shop rate times something around that.
It took me 4 hours, but that was without a lift, taking my time, cleaning parts in the engine bay as I went and taking pictures to post. A shop with any type of BMW engine bay experience should be able to do it in less time.
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ok so this is why there's a ton of crank hubs FS at the classified lol. cntzl can you PM me what kind of quotes you have gotten for the CBC installation?
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ok so this is why there's a ton of crank hubs FS at the classified lol. cntzl can you PM me what kind of quotes you have gotten for the CBC installation?
To be fair, I still think spline lock hub provides a better protection if it's combined with CBC thanks to its one piece design. However, CBC is probably the best value considering how long it's been out and how much it costs etc (again these are just my opinions). Regarding the CBC labor, I got quoted $550 but I have seen quotes ranging from $500 to $600. Anything below $500 is pretty good deal however, just make sure it's a reputable shop.
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VTT sells them for $99.

/u/rotzy said it took him 4 hours to do it in the install thread he wrote, so multiply the shop rate times something around that.
Is there any difference between the parts they use in the video and VTTs?

Also does this German company offer theirs for sale with instructions?
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Is there any difference between the parts they use in the video and VTTs?

Also does this German company offer theirs for sale with instructions?
-Googling is hard.
-No instructions, but someone posted a diy here. If that’s not enough, you should probably pay someone to do it.

-The vtt piece and the h2m piece look nearly identical, and both are made of “aircraft grade aluminum”. The h2m one uses oem bolts instal of the aftermarket hex ones, and is sold out, however.

https://www.h2motors.de/motorteile/b...raube/a-10643/
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Website pricing is current, shoot me a PM or email for pricing (or call 510.537.2266) to book an appointment. 2 Spline lock installs, and a CBC install in the past 2 weeks. A lot of people are being smart, and getting these done BEFORE they have issues...

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Is there any difference between the parts they use in the video and VTTs?
Not much different considering the German company ordered 10 CBC's about a year ago. We were out of stock, and the website said we had some, they got extremely upset. They canceled the order, sourced one from one of our stocking dealers, and knocked it off.

Your best bet is sticking with the original, which is $80 cheaper...

In the US we will ship the same day ordered with 2-day shipping.

For all the Euro guys. We have a stocking dealer in the UK. RossSport: https://www.rosssport.com/Brands/Var...-M3-M4-N55-S55

They carry the complete spline lock kits and CBC's...
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Also that german company has sold many bolt capture plates. And never had failures. These were also used by race teams according to them.
I'm trying to find the part number to their bolts, in the video it looks like it is:

11377516895?

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Not much different considering the German company ordered 10 CBC's about a year ago. We were out of stock, and the website said we had some, they got extremely upset. They canceled the order, sourced one from one of our stocking dealers, and knocked it off.
That sucks, frustrating to see hard work ripped off.
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Not much different considering the German company ordered 10 CBC's about a year ago. We were out of stock, and the website said we had some, they got extremely upset. They canceled the order, sourced one from one of our stocking dealers, and knocked it off.

Your best bet is sticking with the original, which is $80 cheaper...

In the US we will ship the same day ordered with 2-day shipping.

For all the Euro guys. We have a stocking dealer in the UK. RossSport: https://www.rosssport.com/Brands/Var...-M3-M4-N55-S55

They carry the complete spline lock kits and CBC's...
Chris thanks for informing us.

Can you advise why you guys don't recommend the extra 90 degree stretch to the bolt, like it's done on the older engine designs?

One of the members here pointed out that's what the German shop is doing in the video.
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I'm trying to find the part number to their bolts, in the video it looks like it is:

11377516895?

thx
Can somebody confirm the part number for the bolts?
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