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      12-11-2013, 09:39 PM   #111
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looks exactly the same as the concept...i dont get it
It is no G35, I give you that. I think these cars are going to redefine the ///M brand. I love the F80!!!!
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Can some enlightened soul please explain to me why this has regen brakes when it's on a diet?
The extra electrical power generated out weighs (no pun intended) the extra weight the regen equipment ads?
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      12-11-2013, 09:45 PM   #114
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As a 335is owner, this is what my car SHOULD be. Finally a turbo M car that can handle the power. The question now is to stick to 6MT or make the switch to DCT O_O
Very easy, stick with the manual. More visceral experience and you'll never even miss the whole 0.2 sec this touts. Plus it's easier to maintain in the long run.

Save the manuals!
I'm with you on that but manual is such a bitch in rush hour traffic. And DCT is a lot of fun when settings are turned all the way up. I would take advantage of first gear more often in DCT before entering a low speed corner. Whereas in a manual I tend to stay in 2nd gear.

That being said, I'm leaning more towards the manual since it's 44lbs lighter and $3k less (or is it $2.5k for DCT?)
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      12-11-2013, 09:49 PM   #116
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Can some enlightened soul please explain to me why this has regen brakes when it's on a diet?
The extra electrical power generated out weighs (no pun intended) the extra weight the regen equipment ads?
What "regen" equipment?

It's on my F30. It's likely not the hardware you think it is.
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      12-11-2013, 09:59 PM   #117
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Today has been a great day seeing the "official" pics of the M3 and M4. Both cars, at least in my opinion, are gorgeous, but I am loving the M3 even more, especially with the super flared rear fenders!

I am claiming with conviction that I will be getting a M3 in ~ 2016. Great job M Division!
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      12-11-2013, 10:01 PM   #119
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Can some enlightened soul please explain to me why this has regen brakes when it's on a diet?
The extra electrical power generated out weighs (no pun intended) the extra weight the regen equipment ads?
Brake Energy Regeneration here is not like on a hybrid that generates power on braking that is stored in the batteries, and leads to artificial brake feel. Not sure if there has been an explanation - my best guess is alternator generates max. power on braking and cuts back under acceleration.
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      12-11-2013, 10:03 PM   #120
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Beautiful car(s). Their interiors are top notch. That stitched leather dash..

Great job M. I certainly like the color pallet. This is coming from a guy that owns two black (sapphire and Jerez) M cars.

Can't wait to set my eyes on a YMB F80 m3.
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Wow! The torque should really gets things moving.

I can't wait to see the tuning world cone alive.


Looking over the engine specification... Specifically stroke and bore.
(This may have been answered in a previous) WHAT similarities share does this motor share with the s52/m54. All 3 use the same amount of stroke. Obviously, the top end is different. I guess that I'm mainly speaking of the bottom end.

Do you think the crank are the same? I doubt it, but why not modify an old (reliable) design?



After seeing the power figures, I originally thought it would be a real torquey motor. I guess variable valve timing takes care of that.



Also, I love the "mono" turbochargers. It makes them sound so special.
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      12-11-2013, 10:12 PM   #122
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Great specs, by why the ugly hood again??
Will the LCI bring that line to just above the kidney grills, where it belongs?
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      12-11-2013, 10:17 PM   #123
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Superb! So glad I'm first in line for the M3 in Harrisburg, PA.
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      12-11-2013, 10:18 PM   #124
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I really think I am sold on Yas Marina Blue. I was previously pro-Sakhir Orange, but the more that I look at these photos, the less appealing SO is to me. YMB really is a beautiful color.
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      12-11-2013, 10:20 PM   #125
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I really think I am sold on Yas Marina Blue. I was previously pro-Sakhir Orange, but the more that I look at these photos, the less appealing SO is to me. YMB really is a beautiful color.
I was and still am sold (even more so now) on YMB. However, it could just take one amazing pic of Sakhir and it's back to the drawing board.
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      12-11-2013, 10:23 PM   #126
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These series of pictures make me love YasMar. The previous spy ones made me hate it. Ohhhhh now I'm confused as all hell
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      12-11-2013, 10:26 PM   #127
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I was and still am sold (even more so now) on YMB. However, it could just take one amazing pic of Sakhir and it's back to the drawing board.
True, and I've been flip flopping between photos, but when I look at YMB, I can't help but think "Yeah, that's my car!".

This just speaks to me on so many levels...

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      12-11-2013, 10:28 PM   #128
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I'm with you on that but manual is such a bitch in rush hour traffic. And DCT is a lot of fun when settings are turned all the way up. I would take advantage of first gear more often in DCT before entering a low speed corner. Whereas in a manual I tend to stay in 2nd gear.

That being said, I'm leaning more towards the manual since it's 44lbs lighter and $3k less (or is it $2.5k for DCT?)
Well, deciding about driving in traffic is a personal decision, but I've only ever had manual cars and traffic never even comes up as a concern for me (and I live in DC, the worst traffic in the US according to latest poll).

Fun and engagement are my priorities, not the convenience that the DCT SEEMS to provide. Extra expense (very significant in my opinion) plus weight and complexity are counter to my priorities, and what I think are reasonable priorities as well.

This is an age old debate, but I will always advocate for manuals so that I can buy all of you guy's used cars (in manual) in the future! If you don't buy them new, Ill never be able to find them used (I can't afford a 40k car, much less this 80k m3).
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These series of pictures make me love YasMar. The previous spy ones made me hate it. Ohhhhh now I'm confused as all hell
You and me both.
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Well, deciding about driving in traffic is a personal decision, but I've only ever had manual cars and traffic never even comes up as a concern for me (and I live in DC, the worst traffic in the US according to latest poll).

Fun and engagement are my priorities, not the convenience that the DCT SEEMS to provide. Extra expense (very significant in my opinion) plus weight and complexity are counter to my priorities, and what I think are reasonable priorities as well.

This is an age old debate, but I will always advocate for manuals so that I can buy all of you guy's used cars (in manual) in the future! If you don't buy them new, Ill never be able to find them used (I can't afford a 40k car, much less this 80k m3).

That's why I always go manual.
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True, and I've been flip flopping between photos, but when I look at YMB, I can't help but think "Yeah, that's my car!".

This just speaks to me on so many levels...
This is the one that absolutely did it for me. I literally thought, it can't possibly get any better. And also made me 100% convinced I'd go for M3 over M4

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425hp? Only 10 more than current M3, yes over a 100 lb ft of torque, I get it and that is awesome, but was expecting higher hp.

The AMG 2.0l 4 cylinder is cranking out 355hp, why cannot BMW get 460hp out of a 3.0.

I am wondering how the M3 will compete with higher hp German cars like MB C63 AMG and Audi's RS.

I am also wondering if the M3 will be worth the $30k premium over a 335i.

I love the exterior and the interior especially the leather stitching on dash, just that 90hp/70lb ft torque over a ppk equipped 335i makes me question the M3.


335i has a base of about $43-44k, not sure where you are getting a $30k difference for the M3.

Go deck out an 335 with MPerformance gear, the LSD, PPK, exhaust, steering wheel, brakes, wheels, Aero bits and you will have $15-20k installed of the $20k gap and still be 300+lbs heavier than the M3.

As for the 2.0L AMG engine, well it has completely different characteristics than the S55 and the 3.0L will have a lot more headroom than a 2.0L running 26psi.
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