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      Today, 01:48 PM   #8471
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There's definitely a market, even to that of the enthusiast, plenty of people on the G8X boards are waiting for AWD variants to buy, and even a few X3M owners want to get one to go with their X3M, and M340i owners are looking to upgrade. AWD was one option that prevented a group of people from not buying M3's and caused them to go to Audi, M340i, or even X3M. Another thing is there's also a large group of non-enthusiasts that buy BMW's and only care about 0-60, or are afraid to drive in snow/rain with RWD, and will buy AWD because of that.
If they want an AWD they should consider Audi now.


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If they want an AWD they should consider Audi now.


Never thought Id say that. I feel dirty.


But I agree
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Every G80 buyer I have seen talks about "gapping people" and "mexico runs". Drag race crowd man.
Perhaps the dodge crowd bought the wrong vehicle by a mistake.

Still think as long as the car rolls you're better off getting a F8X or something and putting the money into turbos and tune and whatnot if you want to gap people and do 40-50 runs.
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Oh I have. I myself managed 3.8-3.9 Seconds (1 foot) 0-60 without tune or LC. So it's there but you will always hear enthusiast say you dont buy a BMW for 0-60 numbers. 1/4 mile is more important.
Agreed, but a lot of people do and have some impressive 0-60, 1/4 mile and roll race numbers. Which is why BMW and MB, Audi etc are going the way they are going.
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Sounds like a quattro season thing
And all of those Subaru commercials.

People from southern states/climates are afraid to even drive in the rain. I've seen the comments on nearly every forum I've been on (M6G, C6G, RL, here)
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I agree that there is a market, all im saying is that its not as big as everything thinks it is. Just like how you hear about all the crank hub failures on forums and youtube, but when you add it all up, its a small percentage of total cars sold.
You could be right, none of us really know as we don't have the marketing data.

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Agreed, but a lot of people do and have some impressive 0-60, 1/4 mile and roll race numbers. Which is why BMW and MB, Audi etc are going the way they are going.
If people only looking for 0-60, they should go get a Tesla. Best bang for buck if you have hearing problems or like to sneak up on people like a ninja!
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If people only looking for 0-60, they should go get a Tesla. Best bang for buck if you have hearing problems or like to sneak up on people like a ninja!
Again agreed, but those also are ugly IMO unless it is a Model S of some kind. Even those have been around so long I think the look is boring people. I'm think RS E-Tron GT ot Taycan Turbo for that $$$.
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If people only looking for 0-60, they should go get a Tesla. Best bang for buck if you have hearing problems or like to sneak up on people like a ninja!
Not sure which is worse, the panel gap and quality control of tesla or the tombstone grills...
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And all of those Subaru commercials.

People from southern states/climates are afraid to even drive in the rain. I've seen the comments on nearly every forum I've been on (M6G, C6G, RL, here)
Either people are too afraid or they drive like it was sunny summer on flooded roads (from what I've seen).

I don't get the problem, just need to adjust driving style depending on the road conditions But then again I'm used to rain/snow/black ice for most of the year...
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If people only looking for 0-60, they should go get a Tesla. Best bang for buck if you have hearing problems or like to sneak up on people like a ninja!
Again agreed, but those also are ugly IMO unless it is a Model S of some kind. Even those have been around so long I think the look is boring people. I'm think RS E-Tron GT ot Taycan Turbo for that $$$.
Agreed, the Model S is the best looking Tesla but the design, while having aged well over the years, is a bit stale. Worse however is the yoke for a steering wheel, looks incredibly uncomfortable. E-Tron and Taycan are some of the only good looking and cool EV sedans at the moment.

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Agreed, the Model S is the best looking Tesla but the design, while having aged well over the years, is a bit stale. Worse however is the yoke for a steering wheel, looks incredibly uncomfortable. E-Tron and Taycan are some of the only good looking and cool EV sedans at the moment.

Elon is a kid at heart. He knows how to please the new Gen. The gen that doesnt know the difference between HP and TQ. The gen that hates loud ICE cars. The gen that couldnt figure out how to drive a manual car if their life depended on it.

Unfortunately EV is the future and Tesla has done a great job with their tech.

I agree that Taycan is one sexy EV that I wouldnt mine owning when im 80 years old!
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It's hard to say and I can see both sides of the argument in regards to sales. My wife was excited and was ready to get an AWD M3 until.............well you know. Any way, it'll be interesting to see how many can get over the looks for the substance they want.

Anecdotal and obviously not scientific, but as we've seen it is an extremely polarizing design. She even said why not just get a nice looking AWD Audi instead. I can see that possibly happening a lot. We'll see in a couple of years.
I really stopped criticizing because it has all been said by now so I'd be singing to the choir at this point.

But the other part is more simple, I am sure there are a lot of newer M buyers that got into the culture just now and I prefer not to set a bad example by constantly making fun of it. Bullying is not something I agree with and there are a bit too many times when making fun of the car went into attacking the owner too.

Like, I saw Mod Auto post a photo of a G82 with new HREs and I held off the urge to comment on it on IG.
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Hell, I've been sayin "bitchin camaro, bitchin camaro I ran over my NEIGHBOR!" since at least the mid-90s

My wife will definitely confirm that ... On 2nd thought, let's not mention it.
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I really stopped criticizing because it has all been said by now so I'd be singing to the choir at this point.

But the other part is more simple, I am sure there are a lot of newer M buyers that got into the culture just now and I prefer not to set a bad example by constantly making fun of it. Bullying is not something I agree with and there are a bit too many times when making fun of the car went into attacking the owner too.

Like, I saw Mod Auto post a photo of a G82 with new HREs and I held off the urge to comment on it on IG.
At the end of the day we don't have to be seen in it
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I usually don't care what people think about my cars
I used to think I didn't care what people think ... I mean:

I wear cargo shorts and the same color t-shirt every day.
I sold my nice watches years ago in favor of a casio.
I haven't gotten a haircut since Oct 2019.
I wear rubber Merrell water shoes.
I have no tattoos or jewelery.
I don't have an iPhone.
I listen to yacht rock.
I like broccoli.

But then I fully considered owning a G8x - like actually driving it in public ...

I came up with 2 theories of the case:

"I'm a provocative dick who enjoys being openly offensive! I don't CARE what YOU think assholes!"

The problem with that one is, that's what you think people think, but what they really think is, "geezus, what a needy pathetic dipshit ... what makes him feel so inferior??"

"I'm addicted to speed man! I gotta have adrenaline and I don't care what it costs or what it looks like cuz I can afford BOTH bitches!"

The problem with that one is, that's what you think people think, but what they really think is, "geezus, what a needy pathetic dipshit ... what makes him feel so inferior??"


So, anyway, as it turns out, I guess I DO care what people think.
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