F80 to Carrera T

FormulaMMM · 10-23-2018, 08:41 AM

Instructed someone with a basic 6MT .1 GTS. Massively capable on stock P Zeros. Can't imagine the T is quicker or better on track than an equally equipped .2 due to a 50-60# weight advantage, but possible I suppose. Yours has the LWB w/ cage and rear wheel steer? Post a pic of that interior if you have one. Sounds awesome

Circuit Hunter · 10-23-2018, 09:30 AM

FormulaMMM · 10-23-2018, 09:38 AM

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Shyeah buddy... killer.

nicknaz · 10-23-2018, 11:36 AM

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I'm sure you will admit that a GT4 in regards to performance is well behind that of Grand Sport or ZL1 1LE and if you are looking to save money on a track duty performance car, the GT4 ain't it either.

My point is the Carrera T is the performance bargain in the 911 lineup.

Yes, we are aligned.

Like I said earlier, tracking 911 or other Porsche just goes down to how much you love the badge (and how big your wallet is

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gatorfast · 10-23-2018, 02:18 PM

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Miami blue is my fav color available right now. Absolutely beautiful.

damageprone · 10-23-2018, 03:36 PM

That was a good day...although it would have been better in the driver's seat of one of the 911s.

Circuit Hunter · 10-23-2018, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Shyeah buddy... killer.

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

Yes, we are aligned.

Like I said earlier, tracking 911 or other Porsche just goes down to how much you love the badge (and how big your wallet is

)

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Miami blue is my fav color available right now. Absolutely beautiful.

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That was a good day...although it would have been better in the driver's seat of one of the 911s.

Great lineup

Jaymax85 · 10-23-2018, 09:45 PM

A 911t is a good marketing exercise For Porsche.. for the price of a new T u can get a slightly used 991.2s like I did.... only reason to consider a T is for the buckets and the revised manual gearing .. but the pdk is the one to buy

jdgamble · 10-29-2018, 08:27 AM

At 40+k more than the price of a similarly spec'ed M3, the 911T should be a much better car. I had an 09 Carrara, and it was an awesome drive. I was shopping between a 991 S and an M3, and I got an 18 M3 that can confortably carry my family (lotsa kids) for $10k less than a 5 year older Carrera S. Since I'm not independently wealthy, the M3 is the car for me, and it's also an awesome machine.

In another universe, I would have the 911T hands down.

Budget M3 · 11-05-2018, 08:07 AM

I think it’s a tremendous compliment to the M3 that we are even comparing it to a 911T. Of course the $100-130k sports car will be faster and feel more special than a $60-80k sedan. The fact that the M3 is “close enough” though is good enough for me. After purchase of the M3, I’ll spend the remaining $40-50k on a dedicated track toy, tires and brakes.

shiv.nandak · 11-05-2018, 08:37 AM

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buddy of mine just made the switch and he can't shut up about how much better the T is. i think he's just telling himself that to justify the price he paid, but wondered if anyone else had considered or done this switch yet

Yea... you're buddy isn't kidding. It really is that much better. I would go as far as to say that the 911 T is probably better than an M4 GTS.

THEROK · 11-05-2018, 10:14 AM

There are levels to this game

JoeFromPA · 11-06-2018, 10:04 AM

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I’ve had two F80’s and a Carrera T. The F8x is not in the same realm as the Carrera T, it’s phenomenal. Also, the power rating of 370hp is laughable. A Rennlist member dyno’d His stock on a dynojet and it made 404whp.

I'm not dismissing the carerra power, but this is where people disconnect dyno results from reality.

At 404whp and ~3250 pounds of weight, and with the excellent hook-up of a RWD 911 the T should reliably be in faster than it is in the quarter mile ET and trap speed.

It's not because the 370hp rating is accurate, regardless of whether some dyno somewhere said it made 400whp.

For what it's worth, a 404whp rating would infer a ~440-460 crank hp rating. PDK is an excellent dual clutch transmission. A comparable Porsche would be a 997.1 turbo which claimed 480hp, had an older transmission (5 speed auto), and weighed 300 pounds more. That car did ~11.6 quarter mile time trapping 118mph. If the Carrera T, with PDK, weighed 3250 pounds and offered 440+ crank HP you'd be seeing trap speeds above 120mph very consistently. You aren't, because a Carrera T isn't making ~440 crank hp.

Circuit Hunter · 11-08-2018, 10:27 AM

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I'm not dismissing the carerra power, but this is where people disconnect dyno results from reality.

At 404whp and ~3250 pounds of weight, and with the excellent hook-up of a RWD 911 the T should reliably be in faster than it is in the quarter mile ET and trap speed.

It's not because the 370hp rating is accurate, regardless of whether some dyno somewhere said it made 400whp.

For what it's worth, a 404whp rating would infer a ~440-460 crank hp rating. PDK is an excellent dual clutch transmission. A comparable Porsche would be a 997.1 turbo which claimed 480hp, had an older transmission (5 speed auto), and weighed 300 pounds more. That car did ~11.6 quarter mile time trapping 118mph. If the Carrera T, with PDK, weighed 3250 pounds and offered 440+ crank HP you'd be seeing trap speeds above 120mph very consistently. You aren't, because a Carrera T isn't making ~440 crank hp.

I haven't seen a Carrera T PDK perform a 1/4 mile test have you?

jdgamble · 11-08-2018, 11:19 PM

The 17 Carrera traps at 118 at 11.9. That's pretty fast. It's clearly underrated at 370.

The M3 is likely underrated too at 425.

gatorfast · 11-09-2018, 08:52 AM

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The 17 Carrera traps at 118 at 11.9. That's pretty fast. It's clearly underrated at 370.

The M3 is likely underrated too at 425.

Not sure if the Porsche is underrated or just the fact that its 400lbs or so lighter than the M3 plus with the rear engine the traction off the line is fantastic.

Funf6cyl · 11-09-2018, 09:49 AM

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Not sure if the Porsche is underrated or just the fact that its 400lbs or so lighter than the M3 plus with the rear engine the traction off the line is fantastic.

Not that it’s underrated but PDK is a better transmission and much, much better LC. On top of that, Porsche in a rear rear set up typically has less drivetrain losses so 370 seems like more. An m3/4 with Competition package is about equal in a 1/4 as a base 911, but also isn’t nearly as fast on track. The 991.2S traps around 121 and the GTS I believe is a 123/124 trap with only 450 hp.

Circuit Hunter · 11-09-2018, 11:07 AM

This base Carrera point 2 made 356whp on a Mustang Dyno. They are under rated as are most turbo cars.

WIKDF80 · 11-09-2018, 11:54 AM

2 completely different cars. I'm pretty sure I'd be happy as a clam in a P car too if I didn't mind paying through the nose, didn't need a rear seat etc. etc.

See5 · 11-19-2018, 02:18 PM

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The 17 Carrera traps at 118 at 11.9. That's pretty fast. It's clearly underrated at 370.

The M3 is likely underrated too at 425.

I agree. They both trap about the same or just a little quicker than a LT1 C7 which is SAE rated at 460(the M3 being about 200lbs heavier and the 911 about 200lbs in the other direction).

Turbo torque curves and aggressive gearing will do a lot.

shiv.nandak · 11-19-2018, 02:33 PM

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At 404whp and ~3250 pounds of weight, and with the excellent hook-up of a RWD 911 the T should reliably be in faster than it is in the quarter mile ET and trap speed.

Porsche website states 3,142 lbs for manual and 3,186 lbs for auto (not sure why you would get the auto). Also, you can assume most Carrera T are around this weight because there is no point in getting any options other than ceramic brakes and torque vectoring.

seis-speed · 11-22-2018, 05:09 PM

I have been looking at getting one. I like the 991.2 and love the concept of the T.

But...

As much as I love it, it does only seat little kids in the rear. It is extremely unpractical, attracts a lot of attention, and is a lot to embark on financially

If you take all of that away, back to back drives - I take the 911. If I want a fun practical car for almost half the price - I take the F80.

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jdgamble Captain 298 Rep 798 Posts Drives: 18 CQM M3 - My family car Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Danville, CA iTrader: (0)	The 17 Carrera traps at 118 at 11.9. That's pretty fast. It's clearly underrated at 370. The M3 is likely underrated too at 425.
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