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Shopping in the used Porsche world, I was shocked to see so many 911s listed as "manual" and when clicked further is was actually a PDK.
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10-15-2021, 09:22 AM | #12542 |
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BMW dealerships etc is unfortunately the same way, drives me nuts.
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Besides just the mechanical disappointment of having a auto vs a DCT, I think the following are the fundamental issues I have with utilizing the auto:
1. It uses the same transmission as every other BMW, and countless other cars in the industry. It lacks specialness - and that’s something people like to buy in “M” cars or any other car branded as “special”. Seriously, why would anyone want to knowingly drive a $90k pseudo-race car that runs the same tranny as a Jeep Grand Cherokee? I think this is something that non-car people can understand - they want to buy “special” and ZF8 just isn’t. And FWIW I think ZF8 makes a ton of sense in the XMs cause those are SUVs and the expectation of an SUV is different. 2. It looks like S58 has an artificially low redline because of ZF8’s limitations. The technical docs show 7600 where as all practical S58 applications are limited to 7200. In my mind there’s only two explanations for this: A. BMW is lying in their technical docs, or B. There is a limiting factor in the drivetrain and by process of elimination this would have to be ZF8. And this is admittedly a moot point as the power drops off after 7200 like S55, but having that extra 400rpm is nice as an overrev zone and fundamentally knowing my “special” engine is limited by a “non-special” transmission would annoy me, especially if I was buying the 6MT. This point isn’t going to matter one bit to non-car people though. And that’s it, thank you all for attending my TED talk. You can catch me next time on “crabby enthusiast raises fists to the sky”
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I'm not trying to define what an enthusiast is. Just what kind I am and from this thread it appears I'm not alone. We are dying a breed though that is for sure. I'm sure they will sell well because the definition of enthusiast is always changing. Plus people with $$$ always want status symbols even if they aren't really that fun to drive or get used even close to their capabilities. Quote:
The X3M comp I drove was way more harsh than my CGTS 4.0. That is mind boggling to me. But it's what you do when you have to control a ton of weight and don't want to really spend the R&D to make a world class suspension anymore. Again, GM, Ford and yes Porsche have been kicking BMWs ass in suspension, chassis and the steering department for a decade now. I see that to about the 911 and just shake my head. They have a ton of different ways to configure and people still complain. For me it's gotten too heavy and GT like which is why I like the drive of the Cayman/Boxster lineup better. That being said, hopefully I can snag a 992 PDK 911 GTS in a couple of years so my wife and I both have a car to enjoy. I think that would look alright next to the Cayman in my garage. Last edited by minn19; 10-15-2021 at 11:39 AM.. |
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* Kill the V8 for an I6 turbo simply because accounting doesn't want R&D dollars for an M3/4 V8 (and that's why that engine is now reused in the X3Ms, etc) * Kill the DCT for the ZF8 * Kill the suspension R&D in favor of cheaper standard setups, including killing the rear air suspension in the X5M (i.e., it's an across the entire portfolio move) I made this point in another thread, but BMW's share price is more/less equal to what it was in the early naughties, with a slightly higher bump around 2015. Now some dude came along and pointed out that for the last number of years BMW has had a variable dividend (the high was 10%) so the flat share price wasn't bad. I think it's bad ... or at least noticed. Here's why: (1.) A dividend means a company has nothing to spend its capital on so it returns it to the shareholders. Said differently, given the R&D points above, it implies BMW doesn't think R&D will result in (much) increased sales/marketshare so instead they're cutting costs (i.e., diluting existing products) and returning capital to investors. (2.) Even if we assume a BMW's variable dividend was a super high 7% every year (and it wasn't) that's a ~190% return over 16 years ... good right? Well, a decent index fund returned in the ~350% sooooo.... NET-NET BMW's corporate behavior in terms of product & capital management implies they believe their unit sales growth best comes from marginal growth and new designs rather than big new features / feature improvements. Thus profits are best derived from better unit margin than looking for market share increases. E.g., is the G8x a marginal or drastic improvement over the F8x? Does it have unique tech compared to competitors or similar tech? Is the G8x's core improvements design upgrades or technical upgrades? TBH, I don't know as it's not something I'm interested in ... Assuming the G8x sells equal or better than the F8x then they're getting the trade-offs right, at least profit-wise ...
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1. Motorsport heritage 2. Concavity 3. 18in diameter I just wish it wasn't such a pain to fit in the front of the street F8Xs (18x11 ET30)
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Acura Bringing Back the Integra and Manual Transmission
I thought this was interesting and noteworthy enough to post here since this thread is sort of like an off-topic forum within itself.
Apparently Acura is bringing back the Integra as a replacement for the ILX, and has announced that it will be featuring a 5-Door Liftback Design (like the original) as well as a rare option these days - a manual transmission. While it will be on a FWD platform, likely based off the Civic, I'm hopeful that they will pair SH-AWD to the transmission (although a little doubtful of this) as well as maybe a hot Type S edition, as the last CTR has shown us that it can be an incredibly fun car. Definitely more interesting than the typical A3, CLA, 2-Gran Corolla.
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You made the right decision to move to the 992. It is insanely fast completely stock and it has massive rear grip. It feels much quicker than my tuned F80 b/c the rear never loses traction and I can give it full throttle in 1st gear whereas the F80, with TC off, spins like crazy 1st thru 3rd gear even with my 295 width tires. The 992 OTOH feels like being launched from a catapult - sheer acceleration without my F80’s white knuckle drama of the rear end threatening to spin out. Instead, the 992 is completely sure-footed and confidence inspiring like how a 140 hp Miata feels unflappable… except you have 450 hp. |
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That's how my test drives were - all the normal rules seemed out the window, and it feels like a completely different thing.
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Yeah I did think about trying to source to OE rears and use the RFs as fronts. They wouldn’t have the SAI logo tho which I personally think is way cooler than the M branding lol
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