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      12-11-2013, 11:29 PM   #155
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On the horsepower saga:

The f30 platform (debut 2011) has a much improved chassis compared to the e90 platform (debut 2005). The f80 is, by dint of lightening, offering another ~18 hp through weight reduction.

The area under the curve of a vehicle with 33% (33%!!!) more torque is substantial, and the f80 m3 is supposed to have 70% more torque at low rpms (i.e. 2000). This is just all sorts of new power.

At this level of torque and output, a greater limiting factor is traction. It SOUNDS as if with the new chassis and stiffer diff mounting, the f80 is going to have greater traction - this means HP for HP the f80 m3 is going to accelerate more efficiently.
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      12-11-2013, 11:34 PM   #156
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Don't discount the C63 AMG because it doesn't have 3 pedals. Keep in mind that the take rate for manual is still low compared to people who opt for an auto. All I know is, we have stiff competition heading our way:

MB C63 AMG (new model coming soon)
Caddy ATS-V (new model coming soon)
Lexus RC-F (new model coming soon)
Audi RS5
And why not... Mustang GT/Boss 302 (new model coming soon)
Agreed. The new C63 will have a V8 Twin Turbo (a pretty sure rumor) with AWD optional. Now AWD and the V8 will add weight so I expect the C63 to be around 3700-3800lbs but with V8TT and AWD, I think it will give a good run for the money to the M3/M4.
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      12-11-2013, 11:35 PM   #157
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I think the ATS-V will be the only real competition for this car, not sure what you find so funny(Lexus will have an NA V8, but I bet there will be no 3 pedal offering so rule it out-ugly too-but that is an opinion). The 420hp V6 in the CTS VSport has been shown to be underrated and will likely be the engine used in the ATS.

The ATS already has slightly better handling and steering than the F30 which the M3 is based on, many find it to be the spiritual successor to the E46.

So smaller size, weight in check, 420hp Twin Turbo plus a manual trans, I dunno-the Caddy sounds like a smart car to cross shop. I also bet it will undercut the starting price of the M3 by $2500-5k too.
Steering has been customized for F8x. I think the "many" who claim the spiritual link to the E46 might be 3 or 4 old guys who always wanted a Caddy when they were kids. Maybe lighter, but not as light, by a longshot. Plus, GM wants their own DCT, which is what they need to compete. So, 5 years behind on development. Don't disagree that they'll do fine in comparos, because they'll cost less, and GM pays lots of ad bucks, and then the journalists will drive home in their BMWs.

And now a tangent. Been traveling a lot lately, so not on here much. How's your design show going? Are you rich and famous yet? Hope you at least have a good touchdown dance when you win.
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      12-11-2013, 11:35 PM   #158
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Love them both! M3 for me.


FWIW, was just thumbing through some of my e92 pics, and it still looks sexy today as it did yesterday.





















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      12-11-2013, 11:36 PM   #159
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Can't wait to buy the LCI M3 once that comes out and 3 years later once its on the CPO lot!!! Until then i think i'll enjoy a 2013 335is cpo FBO, N54 FTW!!!

How will this stack up against an FBO cpo X5M (price wise and performance wise)???

At least the X5M will be AWD for the north east winter duty.
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      12-11-2013, 11:44 PM   #160
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It is purely emotional, not logic based. If I am going to shell out that kind of money for a car, it's going to have 3 pedals.
No, I hear ya. I've always had a manual trans sports car so I know where you are coming from. I spent 5-years working for Benz as an AMG Specialist and it killed me inside that there was never a manual offered. What happens if you ever hit the lottery and you want to buy an exotic? Manual trans options are almost obsolete in the super/hyper car level lol
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      12-11-2013, 11:49 PM   #162
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Words just does not describe how I feel about this sedan. Brilliant. Intriguing. Flawless.
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      12-11-2013, 11:50 PM   #163
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Steering has been customized for F8x. I think the "many" who claim the spiritual link to the E46 might be 3 or 4 old guys who always wanted a Caddy when they were kids. Maybe lighter, but not as light, by a longshot. Plus, GM wants their own DCT, which is what they need to compete. So, 5 years behind on development. Don't disagree that they'll do fine in comparos, because they'll cost less, and GM pays lots of ad bucks, and then the journalists will drive home in their BMWs.

And now a tangent. Been traveling a lot lately, so not on here much. How's your design show going? Are you rich and famous yet? Hope you at least have a good touchdown dance when you win.
Show doesn't start filming till Feb. 24th. But it is giving me time to strategize and brush up on welding, fiber-glassing as well as draw every day.

I guess I just have more faith in GM than you. The Stingray is a good example of them doing things right. I think the ATS-V will be another.
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      12-11-2013, 11:51 PM   #164
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No, I hear ya. I've always had a manual trans sports car so I know where you are coming from. I spent 5-years working for Benz as an AMG Specialist and it killed me inside that there was never a manual offered. What happens if you ever hit the lottery and you want to buy an exotic? Manual trans options are almost obsolete in the super/hyper car level lol
I am perfectly happy NOT buying new in that case and will have to just rough it with a McLaren F1 or Ferrari F40.
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      12-11-2013, 11:52 PM   #165
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      12-11-2013, 11:54 PM   #166
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No, I hear ya. I've always had a manual trans sports car so I know where you are coming from. I spent 5-years working for Benz as an AMG Specialist and it killed me inside that there was never a manual offered. What happens if you ever hit the lottery and you want to buy an exotic? Manual trans options are almost obsolete in the super/hyper car level lol
Get a Singer 911. Ill take it over just about any of the exotics. I say that without one iota of experience (and I would probably fall in love with a ferrari 458), but I bet the Singer holds its value too.

Or buy a "used" Carrera GT. It got back publicity lately so maybe they'll be cheap!
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      12-11-2013, 11:59 PM   #167
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Just read the new spec page with a bunch of detail. Specs look real good.

On another level again. I want to see the conpetition they should all be flowing with tech.
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      12-11-2013, 11:59 PM   #168
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Hopefully, there won't be any engine issues that make it a ticking time-bomb like the last two motors....
agreed.

my previous 2007 335i had countless Check Engine-Limp Mode, Vanos issues at the worst times...
I will never forget that.
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      12-12-2013, 12:03 AM   #169
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Is-it only me??

The more I look at these, the more these M3/4 are what the M5/M6 should be: a mid-size sports sedan/coupé.

The future M2 will be closer in spirit and size of what the real M3 should be IMO.

Mind you, I like them. But every time I look at the latest F32 3 series, it looks waaaay to big for what a 3 series (compact sedan) should be.
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      12-12-2013, 12:13 AM   #171
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E92 owner here and I also think the M3 looks better looking. I'll never own an I6 M3 (all hail the 2013 E92 M3!) but if I did It would be the M3.
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E92 owner here and I also think the M3 looks better looking. I'll never own a v6 M3 (all hail the 2013 E92 M3!) but if I did It would be the M3.
Please show me this unicorn V6 M3 you speak of
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Wow, the M3 looks alot better and loving those seats. The 0-60 times are suggestive of more like 450 crank hp. However, if you consider an E90 M3 MT vs an F80 M3 DCT, the weight difference isn't as much as I would have thought. Do a couple of bolt-ons to the E90 and you're almost there hp wise and if the exhaust is lightweight and put a lighter battery 70aH, you're saving another 40+ lbs and you get to enjoy all the glory of the S65 with a proper hydraulic steering setup. Makes the trading decision from an E90 a little more difficult and agree tuning the F80 to eek out reliable horsepower beyond a few laps is probably why BMW didn't come out with a higher hp number to make it seem like it was more of a jump in power vs the prior gen (for marketing purposes) and in line with competitors.

After all is said and done, think they did a fantastic job with this FI setup given the hand they're dealt in being forced to go FI. Makes me excited about BMW again, especially as the F30 3 series are so much more boring to drive vs the 3 series of 1-2 generations ago.
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I don't get why BMW doesn't put bigger brake pedals in cars equipped with auto transmissions. I left-foot brake whenever I drive cars with only two pedals, so a bigger brake pedal would certainly help.

And honestly I can’t believe they’ve been using the same OEM rubber pedals for more than 20 years. For M cars, you’d think they’d be offering some nice-looking drilled aluminum pedals as standard by now…
On my E46 M3 with SMG, I installed a GSP aluminum wide pedal. Been using a couple month after I bought my car. I hope there will be companies making these for the new M3/4.

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Smokin!

Can't wait to drive the pair! I want so much for the two bring back to M what was somehow missing in the M5/6.
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