M3CS vs AMG C63S Comparison Test

[Joe S]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

Same for me. I'm not interested in straight line speed either. I have never owned a E92 M3 but I'm sure it's a great car. Matter a fact I was behind one this morning and that thing sounds godly. Granted it was only going 10mph. Can't imagine it pulling towards redline.

Originally Posted by Andrae26

Same for me. I'm not interested in straight line speed either. I have never owned a E92 M3 but I'm sure it's a great car. Matter a fact I was behind one this morning and that thing sounds godly. Granted it was only going 10mph. Can't imagine it pulling towards redline.

Mine is Supercharged! And will leave a C63s in your rear vision mirror

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I know the C63 is a formidable machine but based on aesthetics alone it looks like any normal car a grandma would be driving. Take away the exhaust tips and the badge its just any ordinary looking C class to most people. I guess some like that sort of thing but its just too boring looking to me. The M3CS just looks the business from every angle. Sporty, aggressive with muscular curves for days.... Fix the sound and its the ultimate sports sedan imo.

Well, now with BMW butchering the front ends, I'm sure many would prefer the next M3 too look more like the regular G20 3 series.

[JohnEnglish]

Originally Posted by svr21

No I don't think so. Why would they use the same motors for a45 on a c63s. That seems absurd.

Emissions and AMG has said that their future cars will all be hybrids. They stopped development on all new internal combustion engines.

[bimmer456]

Is this a fair comparison though, the cars have a different focus. The merc is more of an all around car while the CS is more track focused and costs more. The merc is more comparable to a competition.

[f80_sturmgewehr]

I've always thought the bi turbo AMG V8s sounded like crap.

[Jimmyx///m]

Originally Posted by CachacoF80

I agree on your assessment of the C63...but lately I've started to feel the F80/82/83 platform is starting to show its age. And this is coming from a 2018 F80 owner.

Anyone else feels the same?!

emmmm, omw to work today, I saw a E93 with top down and MPE fly past me. And that's when I feel these things won't even age haha.
But who knows, maybe after I tried G80, everything'll be changed.

[CachacoF80]

Originally Posted by Jimmyx///m

emmmm, omw to work today, I saw a E93 with top down and MPE fly past me. And that's when I feel these things won't even age haha.
But who knows, maybe after I tried G80, everything'll be changed.

Well, if the massive grille is a go (which seems it is), I shall stick to the F80!

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

IMO, the C63S is the better daily driver while the M3 is the better track car. Same as it has always been between MB and BMW in that segment .

I wouldn't disagree with that.

I use my C63 as my DD on my 28 mile (round trip) commute and the M3 at weekends.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by NYG

A base F80/F82 makes the C63S look like an SUV on a track.

Is that so?

Personally, I doubt it, around the Nurburgring, the times I found were;

C63 S Coupe 7:44

M4 7:52

Whilst the same driver as the C63, set a time of 7:36 in an M5 comp and 7:50 in the M3 CSL back in the day.

All were tested by Sport Auto magazine.

Have you actually driven both?

[domino_z]

id rather the car be 4 seconds slower and be less compromised on street

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by domino_z

id rather the car be 4 seconds slower and be less compromised on street

Hahaha, yes and even MB are selling the virtues of its T model body shape.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by werdn

C63's can be tracked, but are not made for the track. One of Motortrend's old YouTube videos of the Alfa v C63s v M3 ZCP v ATS-V, the C63s and came out slowest by a margin. It seems the comp package really changed the impression of the F80 m3 for the reviewers, making power delivery a lot better.

It seems like the c63s are still street cars with loud exhaust and good straight line speeds. A muscle car.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rburgring-lap/

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by f80_sturmgewehr

I've always thought the bi turbo AMG V8s sounded like crap.

If all the people who have commented on my C63 - plus road test reviews - are anything to go by, you might have a problem with the part of your brain that processes sound.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by Jimmyx///m

emmmm, omw to work today, I saw a E93 with top down and MPE fly past me. And that's when I feel these things won't even age haha.
But who knows, maybe after I tried G80, everything'll be changed.

I have driven an E92 M3 on track several times and the sound of that NA V8 at the red line is fantastic.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I know the C63 is a formidable machine but based on aesthetics alone it looks like any normal car a grandma would be driving. Take away the exhaust tips and the badge its just any ordinary looking C class to most people. I guess some like that sort of thing but its just too boring looking to me. The M3CS just looks the business from every angle. Sporty, aggressive with muscular curves for days.... Fix the sound and its the ultimate sports sedan imo.

I personally agree with you, since I have difficulty sometimes distinguishing between the 63 and base C until I get real close to the car, but most people will not be able to distinguish between the M cars and their base counterparts. This is coming from someone that’s owned practically every M model there is.

the past 5 years, only 3 people knew the difference when asking me about the cars. The rest ask if its a 335 or 435 or X5 or etc.

I personally prefer to stay low key so I like it that way. Others might not.

[535i MSport]

I totally get that. A lot of people read the badge on the side and ask what engine it has 🤣🤣🤣

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by E46M3forRay

Thank goodness... I bought the right car.

This

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by jmg

I think drag races are one of the more boring aspects of motorsports, but I see how it is a reasonable metric for performance. That being said the CS beat the C63S in the drag in this very video. What's more interesting is that the CS not only feels more powerful in the circuit but that it actually is faster. Another semi-useless but reasonably telling metric is the 'ring time. The CS did it in 7:38 and the C63S did it in 7:44. The F80 is also significantly faster than the E92, stock for stock and especially modded. The CS even more so, I'm not sure how you can gauge the CS's performance by using an E92 as a reference.

That being said, I think the E92 has much more character than the C63S, and I would prefer to drive it over the Merc even if price weren't an issue.

Makes sense on the lap times, but I think you are missing one critical aspect which is the CS has Cup tires and the C63S summer tires which if they were equipped with the same tires would be neck and neck (they account for about around 5-8 seconds in the NRing).
I too have owned both. An f80 m3, f82 m4 and a C63S coupe (facelift). Both are very good cars. The AMG imo is a much better street car, and the M feels more precise than the AMG but then again, the AMG and M feel downright sloppy compared to my how my 991.1S, 718 GTS, and 991.2 S and T feel...so it’s all relative.

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Is this a fair comparison though, the cars have a different focus. The merc is more of an all around car while the CS is more track focused and costs more. The merc is more comparable to a competition.

Thank you. The cars are intended for two different purposes. You may as well use the GTS then. I am in the market for an F8x and while I love the way the CS looks, those nasty door cards, lack of basic features like comfort access, super firm ride, manual knobs are a huge turn off, especially when compared to the luxury of the C63S. Interior wise, the C63S wipes the floor with any M3 and with a lack of access to creature comforts, I could be swayed into an AMG.

The competition is more balanced though and a much more analagous competitior to the C63S.

C63 = M3/4
C63S = M3/4 Competition
C63S (Black Edition if there would've been one) = M3/4 CS...can't imagine what a C63S would do to an M3/4 CS.

Just saying.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Is that so?

Personally, I doubt it, around the Nurburgring, the times I found were;

C63 S Coupe 7:44

M4 7:52

Whilst the same driver as the C63, set a time of 7:36 in an M5 comp and 7:50 in the M3 CSL back in the day.

All were tested by Sport Auto magazine.

Have you actually driven both?

Nurburgring lap times only tell you a specific part of the car's performance. That being said the C63S did not have any manufacturer tested lap times and the RT times aren't really acceptable unless you know exactly how the car was spec'd. No one acknowledges this time.

There's a reason why you NEVER see Benz on the track. The AMG GT makes an appearance here and there but it's a much rarer car and actually drives well.

I've driven the C63S, owned an E63 and 5 other MBs. They have BMW beat in quite a few departments including ride comfort and luxury but performance? Not even close, unless your idea of performance is roll racing and lets be serious "performance" is a misnomer in that context.

Like I said, you don't have to believe me but head over to the track one day and take a look at which companies are the most prevalent and putting down the fastest laps: Chevrolet and BMW.

If you got a C63 or an E63 for performance reasons, you'll either be extremely disappointed or need to have performance defined. If you want a luxurious car that can roll race at traffic lights, it's definitely a better car than the M4... just not the M5.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

the AMG and M feel downright sloppy compared to my how my 991.1S, 718 GTS, and 991.2 S and T feel...so it’s all relative.

I don't know if sloppy is the right word but AMG and M are both a major downgrade from Porsche so you're getting what you pay for. Like I said before the AMG GTR comes close but still won't touch the real king.

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by NYG

I don't know if sloppy is the right word but AMG and M are both a major downgrade from Porsche so you're getting what you pay for. Like I said before the AMG GTR comes close but still won't touch the real king.

Yes it is all relative, my M3 and C63 are road cars first and foremost. That's how come I can transport 4 in comfort, in the case of the M3 and 4 plus dog in the case of the C63 (T model).

A friend who is a real petrol head and has owned fast road cars for years, won't ever put them on track as he views them as too sloppy.