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For what it’s worth, i hope this takes off so that the platform can grow. Given the price point and being able to run almost any turbo you want, i would go with this kit over any other twin setup that isn’t a hybrid.
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I'm curious to find out how much the driveability changes by switching from twins to a single.
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Yes, lag, powerband for daily use, etc
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Drivability is not an issue. Since it is twin scroll and uses a ball bearing turbo there is hardly any lag at all the Turbo begins to spool 2800-3k RPMs climbs over 600 foot pounds of torque at 3800 and hits peak torque at 4800.
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Stock TwinTurbo typically hits full boost around 3000 RPMs this kit is hitting full boost around 3800 rpms. However at 3000 rpms I am still getting 15-20psi. At 3800 rpm's there is no lag it is instantaneous as soon as you mash the throttle the turbo spool's instantly. I will actually be increasing the A/R of the turbo for testing to actually slow the spool up down a little bit and increase peak horsepower. I'll compare logs and horsepower/torque graphs with the larger A/R.
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The twin scroll will combat the lag of a mono scroll. It should be similar to an upgraded n55 turbo.
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01-15-2020, 12:24 PM | #33 |
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Wow... I want to see this setup on a flex fuel tune... That would be one hell of a fun street car.
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01-15-2020, 02:17 PM | #34 |
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You guys will need to be more specific with what kind of turbo lag you guys are inquiring about. For starters, turbo spool and throttle response are two different things.
Cruising in 4th gear at 3,000 rpm and expecting instant boost hit with a single turbo would probably be unrealistic. But if you're shifting from 1st through 4th then expect little to no lag in the middle gears. I drove a PS2 high flow car with a fully tapered low end torque to help preserve the factory rods. That car had a highly noticeable amount of delayed throttle response/boost impact for comparison. 600 ft/lbs torque at 3,800 rpm is a sure path to killing the factory connecting rods on most modern BMW engines. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but those who are seriously considering this route should have at least a built bottom end. |
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Turbo lag to me is always: Pick an RPM, any RPM, where the turbo makes power. While cruising, not on boost, floor it. The time from you mashing the gas pedal to the time the turbos achieve the target boost for that RPM is turbo lag. I was asking for a comparison of my definition of turbo lag of this single turbo kit vs. stock. This to me is the most accurate definition of "lag", because everything else is just the torque curve. Lag has nothing to do with the dyno chart or as far as I'm concerned. They're different measurements. Really don't want to make this a turbo definitions thread, but my clarification is relevant to the discussion of this kit, and I think consumers would want to know. |
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I'll make some videos to post on here so you guys can see the spool time and throttle response. Like I stated before at 3800 rpms cruising then stomping on it there is little to no lag maybe 1.5 seconds. The turbo hits peak boost set point extremely fast. Now if you stomp on it at 3k rpms it is less responsive but it does spool up fairly quickly maybe 2 seconds to about 15-20psi at 3k rpms. The A/R change will be to help reduce torque at lower rpms and increase peak hp. Also just so you guys know my internals are 100% stock just a max psi crank hub. I'll be pushing it well into the 8xxhp range. 600ftlbs torque at 3800rpms isn't an issue at all. If you guys are concerned about that it can be brought down with a larger A/R and tuning as well.
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https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxp...16663057213443
Here is a quick video I saved from a story I posted. The second video in you'll hear me let off then jump back on it will give you an idea how fast the transient response time is. If you watch the MHD data logger on the first video you'll see it turn red that is when I initiate full throttle. |
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Not throwing any shade, because a smaller set of hybrid twins exhibit similar turbo lag characteristics. But from a racing or spirited driving perspective, 1.5 to 2 seconds lag equates to a difference of 15-20 car lengths. Also just stating the obvious that it's not possible to brake boost with a DCT.
Things would be a whole lot different if EcuTek could somehow maintain the spool through an external PWG similar to how the BMW engineers have things configured with the factory EWG: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=975864 Quote:
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I would pay to see someone attempt a successful brake boost with a DCT on a BMW without the DME/TCU cutting power. I'll send cold hard cash to your shop address if you guys don't mind sharing an instructional video. I'm all about donating for a good cause |
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All right guys enjoy these pictures. 10 of them on the way from Elmer racing.
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I was wrong in saying the connecting rods will potentially be the next to go. I'm going to change my assessment to the factory clutch packs based on additional information. |
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