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Did you log your track time in both cars? It would be really cool to see where the CS makes up time... and also because more CS content would be great |
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You could get a new 911 Carrera, but optioned it's not in the same price point. A base 911 is going to be more in the ballpark and you will have a vanilla Carrera competing against a CS. I certainly see the appeal of a more pure sports car in the 911, but unless you are financing or paying cash, you are going to be paying MUCH MUCH more on the 911 than the CS even if they have the same MSRP. The RV and MF will send the 911 payments skyrocketing. Of course, if you can afford a 911 in the first place, then this isn't an issue.
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Also, with regard to comments about the M3 CS being more softly sprung compared with rhe M4 CS using CP springs, what does that likely mean for choosing a HAS? If the MP HAD has the spring rates matched to CP/M4CS springs, is it still rhe right choice for the M3 CS? If not, what other alternatively make sense? Does it even matter if you go KW HAS instead? And I wonder what the softer springs in the M3 CS are. Are they from a pre-CP care like the M3 as released in 2014/15? I’ve only driven the M4 CS (my M3 CS arrives in a week!), and already I felt that car to be more comfortable than my 2018 M3 CP. If the M3 CS is going to be even more comfortable, I’m happy with that. Though I would love to know more about the base springs referenced and what the best HAS option is. |
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Well, coming from a 2018 M3 Comp package car. The CS is a different animal. The driving dynamics IMO is a larger step from the Comp car than most people are suggesting. I think people and reviewers have not driven the two cars back to back and are using selective memory to compare the two. 1) The CS while it has more power, is more composed. It doesn't really step out and the tactile feedback is greater. And the ride is actually more supple. 2) You don't need or miss the armrest 3) I seem to be missing some i-drive functions, odd and my dealer is looking into it. 4) f&wk not having comfort access. I miss it, want it and i cant believe its missing. 5) I dig the rotary knobs, they are cool. 6) Some small extended leather pieces missing, on purpose. 7) Frozen haters gonna hate...I never had a matte car before and i've been stopped 3 times today alone. 8) The exhaust could have the same part number, no way is it the same exhaust. 9) No vents in back, my kid will grow up a little tougher and able to withstand the harsher weather conditions. They also have sunshades.
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6) I assume you refer to the small knee bolster on the center console? 8) The CS exhaust has a different part number than the CP exhaust and definitely sounds different to my ears. 9) While there are no vents on the center console for the rear seating area, there are still vents located under the front seats that feed HVAC air to the rear compartment .
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My 2015 M4 also was DCT.
And I'll stress again that both cars were run on the same Apex EC-7 wheels with NT01 tires and equipped with GC camber plates, lowering springs and Pagid RSL29 brake pads, so it is a true apples-to-apples comparison. Quote:
I was able to beat my best time ever achieved with 2015 M4 over 4-years and 75+ track days by 1.5 seconds during my first time out with the CS. And the thing is, I wasn't even trying that hard. I was just doodling around getting to know the car. When I looked at the lap times, I was like holy sh!t . There's definitely more time to be gained with the CS. So no, even if I am still very much an amateur driver with much to learn, the laptime improvement is not the result of my improved skill/experience. Quote:
I believe it is the combination of all the incremental changes to the CS that add up to improve the performance. It's the added power, the improved aero, the lighter weight and the improved chassis dynamics that work in unison to provide the better lap times. Yes I do. The CS is simply faster everywhere around the track.
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It's not an easy call regarding choosing HAS. It's not hard fact, but from what I've read and heard, BMW has not "type approved" the MP-HAS for use on the M3cs while they have on the M4cs. I am not sure why that is though. The KW HAS are even stiffer than the MP-HAS.
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I just did two back to back drives with my 2016 M3 and my 2018 M3CS to get a feel what the most obvious differences are. Note that my M3 has Macht Schnell competition sport springs and spacers and my M3Cs is stock and still under the 1200 mile break in so I couldn't go all out. I took the same route each time that involved the same underpass, and two of my favorite banked on-ramps in the area. My observations:
1) steering and steering feeling is much more tight and precise with the M3CS. The M3 had a little more play and less feedback from the road. In comfort and sport plus i could once again feel the car under the wheel. I think my suspension brought some of that connected feeling back in my M3, but honestly it feels even better in the M3CS. This is a huge improvement as far as I could tell. 2) Overall the car feels more planted. 3) MDM mode feels different in the M3CS. It felt more controllable with the tail out. 4) Drivetrain in Sport+ was more linear in the M3CS. I'm not sure if it's the throttle mapping or the suspension setup, it just felt more stable and predictable. 5) it's still fairly easy to get that rear end out in a good way! 6) the MPE on my M3 is louder in cold start although I hear that cold start does not work the same way in the M3CS. Burble is non-existent in the M3 and it's nice but not obnoxious in the M3CS. Driving a ZCP at a few M School sessions the ZCP has a much louder burble but I think that's because of the active sound, which I am not a fan of. The M3CS does not have active sound thankfully. Driving through the same underpass, the M3CP was almost as loud as my MPE. I'd say about 80-85% as loud and still sounds very nice. In a perfect world I would transfer the MPE to the M3CS. 7) brakes seem similar. They even squealed at the exact same corner in the same way. Consistent! 8) the ZCP seats are better and holding the driver in place. I'm a big fan of carbon structure in my M3, but the seats are much better! Time will tell if they are more of less comfortable in long drives. Things I miss from the M3: The armrest The MPE The one touch self- entering turn signal. I might be one of the few that thought BMW had it right. All cars should have this feature Comfort Access Things don't miss from the M3 Dual climate control Plastic dash The old iDrive Things I'm not sure about yet: The steering wheel. It's thicccc. I like it but in a see how I'm going to be kinda sore before I get used to it. I love the alcantera everywhere though. Apple CarPlay. I have it in my i3 and I didn't really like it. Maybe I need to try again? Preliminary conclusion: is it worth the $25-40k premium? I don't think so. The M3 and M3 ZCP are still great cars. It's no wonder the M3CS sat on a lot of lots. But now that there are heavy discounts to be made, no one is paying the full price of $101-$115k. At $88-95k it becomes totally worth it! This weekend my M3 goes back to stock. I'll do another back-to-back comparison to see if I get similar results without the suspension mods.
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Interrestingly, the MPE sounds different on the CS, probably because of the engine tune.
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