▀▄ eas | ESS E-Tronic Tuner Overview for S55 M3/M4

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Tom ypur calling run 18 linear stage 2? On your initial post 18 is torque full ppwer stage 2??

Program numbers were correct, the labels were typoed on 18, 21 and 35. Post edited.

[8600RPM]

What other resukts or dynos have you seen? I'd love to sedona a fee to compare.

Originally Posted by Sales@Alekshop

The ESS piggyback was changed from the first generation to the current. The first version had only 1 map "stage 1", the current version has 3 maps and the original stage 1 map that was carried over from the first controller to the second generation was slightly changed. I was told the + - maps on the gen 2 box was not planned to be active right away and was added at the last minute so that info was a little late to get marketed to the public. If you were a customer during this transition I'm sure there might have been a little confusion as a lot of changes were being made to improve the unit in a short time but if you are buying a tuner now that is not the case.

ESS I'm sure trusted Tom and the guys at EAS to do a lot of the dyno testing on the S55 piggyback to not only get some independent results but also because EAS has such a large database of other tuned, modified and stock S55's they can easily do direct comparisons. All of the dyno results I have seen on the new gen 2 ESS piggyback have been very consistent. If you check the ESS website the dyno they show for the new Gen 2 tuner I believe is the EAS dyno and the original single map gen 1 dyno has been removed so the data available now seems to be pretty consistent to me.

http://www.esstuning.com/productimag...urrent_image=2

[lgk]

Can anyone help me with the wire to tap for real boost pressure for a boost gauge. I am looking for the 0-5 volt wire on the ESS harness. I am using the blue wire off MAP 2 but it does not appear to be the correct wire.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Sales@Alekshop

The ESS piggyback was changed from the first generation to the current. The first version had only 1 map "stage 1", the current version has 3 maps and the original stage 1 map that was carried over from the first controller to the second generation was slightly changed. I was told the + - maps on the gen 2 box was not planned to be active right away and was added at the last minute so that info was a little late to get marketed to the public. If you were a customer during this transition I'm sure there might have been a little confusion as a lot of changes were being made to improve the unit in a short time but if you are buying a tuner now that is not the case.

ESS I'm sure trusted Tom and the guys at EAS to do a lot of the dyno testing on the S55 piggyback to not only get some independent results but also because EAS has such a large database of other tuned, modified and stock S55's they can easily do direct comparisons. All of the dyno results I have seen on the new gen 2 ESS piggyback have been very consistent. If you check the ESS website the dyno they show for the new Gen 2 tuner I believe is the EAS dyno and the original single map gen 1 dyno has been removed so the data available now seems to be pretty consistent to me.

http://www.esstuning.com/productimag...urrent_image=2

So its acceptable to not know your product when replying to customers emails for a few weeks while youre in transition?

[8600RPM]

It's been months, nobody gets clear answers, they clearly don't dyno their own product, nobody still knows what plus and minus really does, the graphs still make no sense. I mean look at linear graph is literally same shape as torque tune on the second graph. Ess website has a dyno of 6 plots with no labels.

My bet is they bought this product preprogrammed to make quick cash while doing supercharger orders for other cars and maybe developing new turbos or bigger money making products.

I've accepted this isn't a yltypical ess product as they used to be chiming in on e92 stuff all the time. Hope to see a return of knowledgeable and present participation with future products.

I purchased the product based on the linear tune they advertised on here. Now that tune doesn't exist Apoarently. To me that is dicieving. I bought the box wanting the curve they advertised that made stock power until 4k and built boost up from there, holding a flat power curve to 7400 making 460whp To 7400. Now the linear curve makes way more low end torque than the original one and power drops at 6300. This isn't what was advertised.

[8600RPM]

This is the graph that many of us purchased wanting this exact linear graph so that is why a few of us are not happy when you look at the linear graphs posted in this thread. I am not sure why its unreasonable to be unhappy if you look at this graph and compare it to what it actually does on the dyno?

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

This is the graph that many of us purchased wanting this exact linear graph so that is why a few of us are not happy when you look at the linear graphs posted in this thread. I am not sure why its unreasonable to be unhappy if you look at this graph and compare it to what it actually does on the dyno?

We have not changed our linear tune from the version that was show in that dyno. Just because a different car with different mods on a different dyno had a different curve or result does not mean the file is different. The only file that has changed slightly is our original stage 1 from our gen 1 tuner. Our linear dyno was on a 100% stock car on 91 octane fuel.

[8600RPM]

Thanks roman. You have to understand which I know uou do, many of us guys,are ocd to some extent and sometimes lack of or inconsistent data about our new 70k M3's is a bit tough. So we really appreciate you chiming in and adding perspective.

appreciate the info and hope you chime in more on f80 as your input was some of the most valuable content on e90 m3 stuff

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Thanks roman. You have to understand which I know uou do, many of us guys,are ocd to some extent and sometimes lack of or inconsistent data about our new 70k M3's is a bit tough. So we really appreciate you chiming in and adding perspective.

appreciate the info and hope you chime in more on f80 as your input was some of the most valuable content on e90 m3 stuff

No problem. I do apologize for some of the changes made to the E-tronic early on but we made several changes in a short period of time as we found better solutions and were able to add some additional features right after the initial release. The new Gen 2 tuner has been out for awhile and all of the units that are being sold now have all of the latest features and tunes. We have also swapped out our gen 1 tuners with the new gen 2 for any customers who have requested it.

[LBC870]

Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

No problem. I do apologize for some of the changes made to the E-tronic early on but we made several changes in a short period of time as we found better solutions and were able to add some additional features right after the initial release. The new Gen 2 tuner has been out for awhile and all of the units that are being sold now have all of the latest features and tunes. We have also swapped out our gen 1 tuners with the new gen 2 for any customers who have requested it.

GEN 2 is awesome. See my post today with my Dyno pulls.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by LBC870

GEN 2 is awesome. See my post today with my Dyno pulls.

The torque drop off is concerning when compared to JB4 IMO.

[8600RPM]

Big torque under 5k rpms but tanking in power by 6k rpm means you Lose 1500 rpm in each gear where you can multiplty torque by being in a lower gear. I'd people not seeing in a car with gearing to redline at 7500, making power only to 6k rpm is wasting much bigger benefits that using lower gears with less engine torque would produce due to multiplication.

[LBC870]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Big torque under 5k rpms but tanking in power by 6k rpm means you Lose 1500 rpm in each gear where you can multiplty torque by being in a lower gear. I'd people not seeing in a car with gearing to redline at 7500, making power only to 6k rpm is wasting much bigger benefits that using lower gears with less engine torque would produce due to multiplication.

The power 6600 is due to setting program 2 +3, which is used for 93octane mixed with E85 or 100 octane. The fuel and timing adjust since I ran only 93. I just wanted to see what it would do. If you look at my graph with program 2 +2 you'll see its stable across the board.

[Rctorre]

Are LEDs lights on programmer supposed to flash/blink after setting tune it says solid when selecting a tune but after it keeps flashing.

[Rick448]

I've just bought one of these (well a version from the UK) and was going to fit it today, unfortunately I couldn't disconnect the sensor plugs. Is there a knack to this or some sort of tool needed?

[AV1977]

Is this tune capable of taking advantage of an E85/93 octane mix? If so, what kind of mixtures are you running?

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by AV1977

Is this tune capable of taking advantage of an E85/93 octane mix? If so, what kind of mixtures are you running?

You can get away with a small amount, but the tune isn't optimized for E85 mixes. I would recommend running 100 octane instead.

Originally Posted by Rick448

I've just bought one of these (well a version from the UK) and was going to fit it today, unfortunately I couldn't disconnect the sensor plugs. Is there a knack to this or some sort of tool needed?

A pick tool is helpful for releasing the tab on some of the locking connectors.

Originally Posted by Rctorre

Are LEDs lights on programmer supposed to flash/blink after setting tune it says solid when selecting a tune but after it keeps flashing.

Is this normal operation. After the setting is saved, it will continue to flash.

[Rick448]

So what is the consensus of opinion as to the best settings? I currently have mine on P1 0 +/- it seems quicker all round once above 2500 ish. I can run 97 Ron (UK fuel) are al the settings safe to try with no CEL lights popping up? I'll be adding an Akra slip on shortly too so hopefully that will also help a little..

[Zanardi43]

Originally Posted by Rick448

So what is the consensus of opinion as to the best settings? I currently have mine on P1 0 +/- it seems quicker all round once above 2500 ish. I can run 97 Ron (UK fuel) are al the settings safe to try with no CEL lights popping up? I'll be adding an Akra slip on shortly too so hopefully that will also help a little..

After reading lots of user feedback and reviewing the Dynos of the different settings on different fuels, I decided to start with P3...+/-0. I run 93-octane pump gas daily and while I've played around with some other settings, I always return to P3...+/-0. It's the best fit for my driving style...smooth with tons of usable power/torque and not too peaky.

[Rick448]

Originally Posted by Zanardi43

After reading lots of user feedback and reviewing the Dynos of the different settings on different fuels, I decided to start with P3...+/-0. I run 93-octane pump gas daily and while I've played around with some other settings, I always return to P3...+/-0. It's the best fit for my driving style...smooth with tons of usable power/torque and not too peaky.

Thanks, I'll try that setting myself. It does seem that a simple set of curves showing a stock car on P1,2 and 3 with no + or - shouldn't be too hard to do.

[Rick448]

Well I'm currently using mine on P3 with no adjustment. It feels more urgent and seems to pull well into the revs, I did look at the sport display and the power and torque didn't appear to go above about 420 ish. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not sure how accurate these displays are and I really should compare it to the readout with the box disabled.

[8600RPM]

Mine hits 480 hp and 420 torque on the display