Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I was thinking of asking if they can gift one to me for my GT4 lol.

But I do have one that is roughly the same size so. I don't feel the need to ask for a suitcase that I would rarely use anyway. Not big on hard shell rollers tbh

Mavus I am in agreement with CanAut for this. It took me sometime to get used to it but I did get used to it and now I generally just turn the key first when I get in without a second thought. I believe Porsche got this from either past rally heritage or racing heritage where it is normal for it to be on the left side. Since I got used to it, the change of putting in my key for my GT4 hasn't been that different either. It is a little odd though since the actual key fob is far fatter (the old one) compared to the newer key that is thinner. Not a huge deal though.

of course we get used to it but it's an example of being different for no good reason … certainly it won't stop anybody from buying

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Yeah I figured it should be pretty straight forward - I've never run into a dealer that didn't want to make a sale happen. I'm not even haggling them on price and it's in their interest to get this specific car sold as it's been on their lot for 3+ months. I guess I still don't understand the "pick up in person" sticking point - I'd love to go get it in person but it's logistically extremely improbable given my work schedule & holidays.

Might be:

* Mitigate transaction risk (fraud, legal entanglements, etc)
* They want to sell you stuff
* Process-wise they don't know how to do it online and aren't set up for it

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Mavus

a lot to like with P but that LH ignition would drive me insane racing heritage be damned it doesn't belong on every day cars when most folks are RH.

yeah you get used to it. My 458 had a key AND a push button start. So you put in the key, turn it to power on all the electronics, then push the start button to get it going.

having the key in your left hand is the least of my worries. getting out of the car when you have these 918 buckets is an orchestrated maneuver lol

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You get accustomed to it very fast. No issue for me when driving the P-car. It’s when I step into my wife’s RS3 that it gets funny, where I end up turning off the headlights instead of shutting down the engine

PS: I had already posted that funny tidbit some time ago…

don't get me started on the electronic parking brakes. 458, gf's tlx, and gt3 all have one. some you pull to activate, some you push

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Might be:

* Mitigate transaction risk (fraud, legal entanglements, etc)
* They want to sell you stuff
* Process-wise they don't know how to do it online and aren't set up for it

Yeah I'll get them on the phone tomorrow and see if they pass the smell test. It's a legit dealer, just feels odd given the car I'm looking at is listed at $75k (don't even think it'll sell for that tbh)

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I was thinking of asking if they can gift one to me for my GT4 lol.

But I do have one that is roughly the same size so. I don't feel the need to ask for a suitcase that I would rarely use anyway. Not big on hard shell rollers tbh

Mavus I am in agreement with CanAut for this. It took me sometime to get used to it but I did get used to it and now I generally just turn the key first when I get in without a second thought. I believe Porsche got this from either past rally heritage or racing heritage where it is normal for it to be on the left side. Since I got used to it, the change of putting in my key for my GT4 hasn't been that different either. It is a little odd though since the actual key fob is far fatter (the old one) compared to the newer key that is thinner. Not a huge deal though.

People commonly think it comes from Le Mans where a driver had to run across the track and start their engines and go to start the race. Because the gear shifter was on the right, they could put the car in gear with the right hand and turn the car on with their left giving them milliseconds of advantage.

But truthfully, it was actually because they were so strapped for money at the beginning of the company that, given the location of the starter, it made sense to put it on the left as they saved about 2 feet of wiring. So, while the first story really is cool, it's really a byproduct of pinching pennies. Eventually, it became part of the brand identity.

[WagonR]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Random thought for the thread - anyone ever buy a car from a dealer out of state? Currently run into an odd proposition as the dealer apparently doesn't sell out of state but will sell to me if I pick it up in person... I don't see how that would be any different aside from me paying to ship the car as all the registration and tax still has to be remitted to WA

Is the car in CA? They have some weird sales tax rules. When I picked up my M2 in San Diego I had to either pay the CA sales tax which would have been non-refundable even when registering in Oregon (zero sales tax), or have the car shipped out of the state, or have it delivered to me out of the state.

Flew to San Diego, test drove the car. Agreed to the sale. Rode with a lot guy in the M2 and was followed by another in a 3 series wagon to Yuma, AZ, where I officially took delivery of the car. A notary came to a dinner there and I signed the delivery paperwork which included a statement that I wouldn't take the car into CA (outside of for maintenance) for 12 (18?) months. Cray shit.

When I lived in WA and purchased a car in Idaho I paid ID sales tax, which is lower. When I registered in WA I had to pay the incremental difference, and then WA collected the original amount I paid form ID.

Most states have reasonable rules about the sales tax. Some you may need to pay it and then claim a refund when you demonstrate the car is registered elsewhere. Some you just fill out paperwork and they file forms when they remit their sales tax to their state and you pay the tax when you register at home. Some don't play ball at all between the states. It's all kind of dumb and dictated on a state by state basis.

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

People commonly think it comes from Le Mans where a driver had to run across the track and start their engines and go to start the race. Because the gear shifter was on the right, they could put the car in gear with the right hand and turn the car on with their left giving them milliseconds of advantage.

But truthfully, it was actually because they were so strapped for money at the beginning of the company that, given the location of the starter, it made sense to put it on the left as they saved about 2 feet of wiring. So, while the first story really is cool, it's really a byproduct of pinching pennies. Eventually, it became part of the brand identity.

First I’ve heard that. It is believable though, since it was post war era. Any link on this w/more detail?

[Arcades]

I didn't see anyone post this but if you are super bored... here is Chris Harris speaking with Andreas Preuninger.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

First I've heard that. It is believable though, since it was post war era. Any link on this w/more detail?

The book in the attached picture has a good excerpt about it. Also, this article talks about it - https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rea...el-11553866078

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Mavus

see that's it! I can see myself missing the damn hole at night multiple times and constantly scratching the dash. Then when you are inside and turn off the engine you have to open the door with your left hand while holding the key or pass it to the right hand. Why not put the damn hole on the rhs!? Don't think anybody would object.

There's no hole to find nore dash to scratch, just a knob to turn...

[clutchdj]

Nice links!

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

The book in the attached picture has a good excerpt about it. Also, this article talks about it - https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rea...el-11553866078

I have the same but I've only read it as a picture book so far. Thanks for the CliffsNotes.

[FormulaMMM]

More throwaway lap times from carwow, this time in combination with terrible acceleration data. But worth it for the GTAm footage and CanAutM3 to blow a gasket

[Darth One]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

The book in the attached picture has a good excerpt about it. Also, this article talks about it - https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rea...el-11553866078

That's an utter buzzkill. I've always loved the Le Mans story. If y'all don't mind I'll forget I ever read this

[minn19]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Random thought for the thread - anyone ever buy a car from a dealer out of state? Currently run into an odd proposition as the dealer apparently doesn't sell out of state but will sell to me if I pick it up in person... I don't see how that would be any different aside from me paying to ship the car as all the registration and tax still has to be remitted to WA

I've bought a new boat from out of state. It was fine except for our MN DNR sucked to deal with and messed up the registration/said we didn't pay the correct tax on the boat.

Same deal on taxes, WI tax is 5% where we bought the boat and MN tax is 7.XX. Just had to pay the difference. We did drive to pick it up though and got hit by a tornadic thunderstorm on the way home. That was fun, daughter bawling/scared shitless in the back seat etc. That was fun but unlikely to happen to you.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

There's no hole to find nore dash to scratch, just a knob to turn...

I might of missed it, but I think the GT4s (and other GT cars because no CA option) you have to put the fob in the fob hole. It's plastic on plastic so I still don't think it would scratch too much. Ours have the permanent faux fob to turn.

I could be wrong on all of this.

[Darth One]

Originally Posted by minn19

I might of missed it, but I think the GT4s (and other GT cars because no CA option) you have to put the fob in the fob hole. It's plastic on plastic so I still don't think it would scratch too much. Ours have the permanent faux fob to turn.

I could be wrong on all of this.

Yes, it's still that way for the GT cars. Other cars like the Macan have a permanently fixed key blank that you just turn

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Darth One

Yes, it's still that way for the GT cars. Other cars like the Macan have a permanently fixed key blank that you just turn

Yup, that’s how our Cayenne and my Cayman are.

Edit: It is also one of the many reasons I decided to go GTS instead of GT4.

[swagon]

What was wrong with having an ignition/hole to put your key fob in anyway? I hate having things in my pockets and now the key fob just takes up space in the cupholder.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by swagon

What was wrong with having an ignition/hole to put your key fob in anyway? I hate having things in my pockets and now the key fob just takes up space in the cupholder.

Personal I guess, I have my wallet in my front left pocket all the time, the Porsche fob plus house key by it doesn't bother me. Fumbling for keys/fob etc when it is 10 below out in MN bothers me more.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by swagon

What was wrong with having an ignition/hole to put your key fob in anyway? I hate having things in my pockets and now the key fob just takes up space in the cupholder.

For me, I like not having to pull anything out of my pockets. The lack of comfort access on my M4cs was the main gripe I had with this otherwise great car. Never got used to it even after 3 years of ownership.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by WagonR

Is the car in CA? They have some weird sales tax rules. When I picked up my M2 in San Diego I had to either pay the CA sales tax which would have been non-refundable even when registering in Oregon (zero sales tax), or have the car shipped out of the state, or have it delivered to me out of the state.

Flew to San Diego, test drove the car. Agreed to the sale. Rode with a lot guy in the M2 and was followed by another in a 3 series wagon to Yuma, AZ, where I officially took delivery of the car. A notary came to a dinner there and I signed the delivery paperwork which included a statement that I wouldn't take the car into CA (outside of for maintenance) for 12 (18?) months. Cray shit.

When I lived in WA and purchased a car in Idaho I paid ID sales tax, which is lower. When I registered in WA I had to pay the incremental difference, and then WA collected the original amount I paid form ID.

Most states have reasonable rules about the sales tax. Some you may need to pay it and then claim a refund when you demonstrate the car is registered elsewhere. Some you just fill out paperwork and they file forms when they remit their sales tax to their state and you pay the tax when you register at home. Some don't play ball at all between the states. It's all kind of dumb and dictated on a state by state basis.

Yeah I figure it has to do with taxes, WA is a pay the difference state so that's what I'll end up doing if I buy the car. Still, since I would have to go to pick it up over the holiday season, I won't buy it at ask (but won't be too far off).

Originally Posted by minn19

I've bought a new boat from out of state. It was fine except for our MN DNR sucked to deal with and messed up the registration/said we didn't pay the correct tax on the boat.

Same deal on taxes, WI tax is 5% where we bought the boat and MN tax is 7.XX. Just had to pay the difference. We did drive to pick it up though and got hit by a tornadic thunderstorm on the way home. That was fun, daughter bawling/scared shitless in the back seat etc. That was fun but unlikely to happen to you.

Yeah - I'm thinking if I buy it I may just ship it over. Lots to think about and need to negotiate with the dealer a bit.